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Where do you use Linux?


Posted by Yaba on Dec 27 2010
In the office2%2%2% 2%
At home48%48%48% 48%
In the office and at home27%27%27% 27%
Not using Linux at all1%1%1% 1%
Everywhere and nothing else.20%20%20% 20%
It's too hard to choose an option above - so I took this one.3%3%3% 3%
Votes: 1682
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 it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by supportfsf on: Feb 4 2011
 
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Why do you call it GNU/Linux and not Linux?
Most operating system distributions based on Linux as kernel are basically modified versions of the GNU operating system. We began developing GNU in 1984, years before Linus Torvalds started to write his kernel. Our goal was to develop a complete free operating system. Of course, we did not develop all the parts ourselves—but we led the way. We developed most of the central components, forming the largest single contribution to the whole system. The basic vision was ours too.

In fairness, we ought to get at least equal mention.
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#why


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 Re: it is called KDE/GNU/Linux

 
 by vdboor on: Feb 7 2011
 
Score 58%

Hereby I declare it should be KDE/GNU/Linux. :p Please, get over it. That discussion is 20 years old now, and you're still demanding recognition?

So it won't be called GNU/Linux - bummer. Perhaps we can face the fact that lots of other people also contribute these days. KDE also made a lot of effort. Maybe that energy for calling it GNU/Linux is better spent on improving the offering and make our software more relevant for the world. GNU is still around, and instead of telling 1% of the world it should be GNU/Linux, let's make an effort to let 10-15% of the people use our OS. People diving in the command line will find GNU eventually.

I'd much rather love to hear where we can take KDE/Linux to in the future. What advantages we can offer, and what audience we can bring our excellent software to to improve it even more!


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 Re: it is called KDE/GNU/Linux

 
 by TheUserK on: Feb 11 2011
 
Score 50%

Why not KDE/GNU/Linux? I like that term and I am using it sometimes, but if you are speaking about (KDE|Gnome|LXDE|xfce|xmonad|…)/GNU/Linux, you may could say X/GNU/Linux, but there is Wayland, so just say GNU/Linux, so it is still different from such stunted Linux based OSes like Android.


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 Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Feb 19 2011
 
Score 42%

Oh please, stop spreading GNU propaganda. GNU project has own operating system called HURD.
Linux has nothing to do with GNU's own operating system. Neither has GNU nothing to do with Linux operating system.

Linux OS prject was started 1991 by Linus Torvalds and it got more attention than GNU's own HURD operating system so few years later RMS started to demand it would be called as GNU/Linux and spread propaganda about technology of the operating systems to gain fame.


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48

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 Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by heinzheinz on: Mar 1 2011
 
Score 38%

Well I suppose it's called just Linux because people are lazy. Why call something GNU/Linux when it's possible to just say Linux and everyone knows what you're talking about?
The thing about Hurd is that it never really got off the scratch board since 20 years. There is no stable version (http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html) and that's why nobody has ever heard of Hurd being used. (I know, the truth hurts.)
To GNU: If the Hurd keeps falling apart, you may want to get a sheepdog or a shepherd. :)


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 Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 11 2011
 
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It is called as Linux because Linux (kernel) is the operating system and some people (GNU fans etc) tries to talk about Linux as it would microkernel and GNU project userland software would be part of the OS (while they are not). The "Linux" is used, not because it is easier to say or it is nicer. But because it is the name of the OS. But the Linux is used wrong as well, like calling software systems as Linux, while Linux is just OS in them.

GNU has lots of problems with their own HURD operating system. They made few stupid decisions with it and they are paying from it. And when they started HURD operating system development before choosing OS architecture, they should have listen what has learned from OS development in earlier decades.

GNU project has managed to develope most of the important softwares but not the operating system. GNU project has tried to develop a OS since the beginning by failing totally and one young student pulls OS almost from back pocket and draws everyones attention and gains their contribution.
GNU almost has everything what current working software system for desktops needs, but they just dont have working OS (elsewhere than in HURD developers computers/dreams).


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48

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 Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by supportfsf on: Mar 4 2011
 
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It is not about spreading the "GNU operating system" as a product. Off course. It is about spreading the free software spirit which GNU represents and formed. Without it and GPL I dont think we would have any computer freedom now. And im not exaggerating. but that's another discussion. It is about the difference between free software and open source software. I don't care for a "GNU as operating system" or HURD as kernel. Linux kernel without proprietary blobs is fine.
You do not realize this is not about products. Not about some forms. It is about the philosophy and spirit which is driving everything. In this case the spirit of freedom for people, not freedom for corporations to take work of others, "patent it", then selling "licenses" back to the people to use theirs property.

As Open Source does NOT express the spirit and meaning of Free Software, so Linux does not represent it. That's why i call it GNU/Linux. To emphasize the importance of thinking and realizing the goals of everything. As nothing are just products or random actions, everything has some sense. Is it understandable?
So just please realize our goal is the same - that is freedom in computing. Stop calling this a propaganda, if you do not understand the point behind it at all. I know why it's called GNU/Linux. And you can be sure I'm not calling it like that to promote some concrete person as you suggested (that is laughable), nor anything else. I believe I've explained it briefly.


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 Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 8 2011
 
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GNU/Linux is not about freedom, it is about GNU propaganda, being jealous that open (libre as well) source non-GNU operating system gained more fame and developers what GNU project could not deliver after long speech how it would come.

GNU/Linux is not about GPL.

Operating Systems are about technology and products what are manufactured from it. Were the products just the source code or just idea, free (as beer) or having a price tag on them.

Linux is even today #1 leader to show the spirit of the open source community and the idea of it. Proof of concept how it allows hundreds of companies to work together with hobbyist developers who leads the whole OS development.

GNU/Linux is 100% GNU propaganda to steal the credit from others and lie to new users about the ideas and community. Yes, GNU project has meaning even today as it has been. But it has no credits at all to be be placed in front of the Linux operating system name as Linux is not part of GNU project and GNU project does not include any software for the operating system.

GNU/Linux is propaganda as would be England/USA or GNU/Firefox or GNU/OpenOffice.org or GNU/KDE SC.

If you (or anyone else) want to tell and spread freedom, then it must be done trough truth and not trough lies and propaganda.
No one are free to make best choices for themselfs if it is given a false historical and technical information for what are all decisions based.

What GNU software parts are in Linux that Linux could be called as GNU/Linux? What OS functions does GNU software offer in Linux?
None....

GNU/Linux is not about license, it is not about idea of freedom, it is not about proprietary vs open (libre) source. It is only about quest to gain fame and credit from work what GNU project did not ever do.

Otherwise, prepare to start calling every software as GNU/something what is compiled with GCC or licensed with (L)GPL license.

Suddenly the whole computing world is full of GNU/software as those tools and licenses are used almost everywhere.

Not even GNU can follow the standards but twist the truth with their own version of uname program, to support their own propaganda.


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Evi1M4chine on: Mar 10 2011
 
Score 63%
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Wow, either you are trolling, or you live in a total delusion. Anyway, I can’t help you back to reality. Only you can do that.
But just so you know: Every time you act like that… making statements without putting them on any foundation at all, let alone a solid one… you just make yourself look crazier.
If you want someone to actually take you seriously, you can’t just throw statements out there. You have to *convince* people. With working chains of logical reasoning that are not only consistent with themselves but also with our observations.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 10 2011
 
Score 38%

So convince me that HURD is a microkernel and Linux is a microkernel....

Don't just throw statements that HURD is just a kernel and Linux is just a kernel and GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd are operating systems. Or either a ideas that GNU/ in front of the name means GPL or any other software what is compiled by using GCC or has depency to glibc.

England/USA or England/Australia would then be valid if GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd would be.

GNU is name of the project. GNU/ does not mean GPL, it does not mean freedom, it does not mean anything else than just pure propaganda what was started few years after knowledge that GNU project lost its OS developers to Linux project and it gained all the media attention by developing a complete working free software operating system what GNU has not yet even got working, after few decades!

GNU/Linux is 100% pure lie technically and ideologically, without any kind (logical, technical or idealogical) justification to be used anywhere.


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Evi1M4chine on: Mar 11 2011
 
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You misunderstood something: I’m not there to convince you. I don’t give a fuck about what you think.
It’s you, who’s begging for attention, by deliberately putting up straw-man arguments (like acting as if I said that Linux would be a microkernel, or introducing unrelated new topics like GPL while acting like they were the topic all along), so you please please just get another answer in the sorry lonely life of yours…

Notice how you will want to answer to this too. And how then, nobody will answer that. Ever. How that feel so empty and lonely. But if you don’t answer this one right away, the loneliness will hurt even more. And how you find out that you did all this posts not for the reasons you thought, but solely so you’re not feeling so incredibly forever alone.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 11 2011
 
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like acting as if I said that Linux would be a microkernel, or introducing unrelated new topics like GPL while acting like they were the topic all along


1. You said undirectly that Linux is microkernel because you did say it is not a OS.

2. You did not notice that one poster was talking about GNU/ mentioning GPL/Freedom and other stuff... It was not that you said, but it is just as silly what you are saying.

Quote:
so you please please just get another answer in the sorry lonely life of yours…


It seems you totally got personal when you could not answer even for simple question what would proof you dont know anything about Linux and HURD. Isn't it nice to first call others as trolls while itself being victim of propaganda?

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Notice how you will want to answer to this too. And how then, nobody will answer that. Ever. How that feel so empty and lonely. But if you don’t answer this one right away, the loneliness will hurt even more. And how you find out that you did all this posts not for the reasons you thought, but solely so you’re not feeling so incredibly forever alone.


Oh how sad you are trying to make a personal attack. Simple question for what you could not answer and you are already picked fork and torch...

So simple questions and you could not answer for that.... I have gaved all the proof by technical and historical data but you attack personally. I feel sad for you...


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48


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 Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Evi1M4chine on: Mar 4 2011
 
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FAIL! HURD is a KERNEL. GNU/Hurd would be the OS. GNU is the user space. GNU/Linux is the GNU user space with the Linux kernel.

But you’re probably just trolling. Way to fail…


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 Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 8 2011
 
Score 38%

What kind a kernel HURD then is?


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Evi1M4chine on: Mar 8 2011
 
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What do you mean “kind”? Do you mean the type? It’s a microkernel. For all-GNU operating systems. While Linux is a monolithic non-GNU kernel for GNU (user space) systems, together forming a GNU/Linux OS.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 10 2011
 
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So HURD is totally located in kernel space?


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Evi1M4chine on: Mar 10 2011
 
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What part of “HURD” is a kernel don’t you understand? ^^



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 10 2011
 
Score 38%

What part of the question did you not understand?

Does HURD totally locate in kernel space?


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Evi1M4chine on: Mar 11 2011
 
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Dude, if you’re trying to troll: You fail so hard. ^^

I already answered your question. Since a kernel is defined as something residing is kernel space. In other words: Ring 0 for the master/core module, and ring 1 for the rest. While ring 2 and 3 are reserved for system software and normal software. Duh.
If you want to know more, please go study CS instead of asking silly questions.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: it is called GNU/Linux

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 11 2011
 
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Quote:

I already answered your question. Since a kernel is defined as something residing is kernel space.


Wrong asnwer (as you did not answer but you tried to avoid question).

You say that HURD is a microkernel.
You did not manage to answer is HURD located totally in kernel space?

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In other words: Ring 0 for the master/core module, and ring 1 for the rest. While ring 2 and 3 are reserved for system software and normal software. Duh.


What parts of Linux and HURD run at Ring 0, Ring 1, Ring 2, Ring 3?
On what ring does system libraries run?
On what ring does system programs run?
What you mean with master/core module and with "rest"?
What you mean with "system software" and "normal software"?


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If you want to know more, please go study CS instead of asking silly questions.


I suggest you to do so (study), as you are just doing personal attacks, not answering for basic questions with any technical facts (talking about rings does not help at all, seems as you dont understand them, I think you might have just checked google or wikipedia about them and thrown them here as a magick bullet without actually answering for anything).

I have gaved technical and historical information to proof you wrong while not calling you a troll or lonely person who needs help.

Your personal attacks makes me feel sad for you.

Explain how does HURD exist alone in the kernel space?
Explain why Linux is just a kernel and GNU/Linux is a operating system?
Why HURD is just a kernel and GNU/Hurd is a operating system?

You are just a victim of GNU propaganda.... And you dont want to find out the truth why Linux is the operating system and GNU/Linux is 100% lie....

Have you not ever tought why the OS is called as Linux from the beginning?
Have you not ever tought why Linus had debate with A.S Tanenbaum by not making Linux as a server-client OS?
Have you ever even token a deep studies of operating systems? Not just one class?
Have you even red the operating system history and technical development on that matter?

No.... You are victim of GNU propaganda like I was long time ago and you don't want to learn... What I did want to do...

Yes, continue calling me trolling or lonely sad person.... Don't think, just follow without any doubts or questions (why, when..).


What is Linux and GNU/Linux?
http://tinyurl.com/532kb8
http://tinyurl.com/mum9x
http://tinyurl.com/ngarn8
http://tinyurl.com/qhuhg
http://tinyurl.com/3uaq48


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