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Is war agains Iraq the answer?


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Yes! Iraq has not disarmed.25%25%25% 25%
Only with a new UN resolution.16%16%16% 16%
No! The weapons inspectors need more time.59%59%59% 59%
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 Connection??

 
 by miol92 on: Mar 10 2003
 
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Excuse me, but what the hell is the connection between this and KDE or Linux??


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 I know

 
 by Frank on: Mar 10 2003
 
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that there is no direct connection to KDE. But I think the next weeks are crucial for the next decade in the free world. All free thinker and open source supporters should form a view on this.

If you have a different opinion, ignore this poll.

Greetings
Frank


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 Anit-Capitalism

 
 by Chris308 on: Mar 10 2003
 
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is the reason most choose Gnu/Linux. Many feel that it reflects their socialist ideas. Microsoft is evil = US is evil? I personally love my Linux box and kde3x's eye candy. However, I love my Win2000 system as well and INMHO feel that it is the better OS(for now). What I don't like about many of the Linux sites is that too many consider Gnu/Linux a religion, not just an OS. To these people I suggest, get a life.


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 i wonder

 
 by mendred on: Mar 10 2003
 
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is everyone going nuts ??
First and foremost to get thing into perspective. There are no things such as right or wrong in international politics, there is only power. And absolute power will lead to its abuse and finally the downfall of the abuser(go study history). It's all a question of balance. The US has till date balanced it very succesfully till the village idiot took over. I mean he has in one stroke undone all the good Clinton did to your economy. That guy may have been a public embarassment but by god he deserves a place in the history books frankly because he literally rebuilt the economy from what Bush sr left(unfortunately peace time presidents don't enter history books). Frankly i wonder about u americans whether u really have any brains at all to let somebody like this come into power and just scare u to death. But i guess u can't be blamed, september 11 was a big psychological blow ,big enough to let junior get into the driving seat. But just remember this, ur economy is in a mess, and the world does depend on the us economy, so it is in both mine and your interest to try and recover rather than jump into a war just to cover up your problems back home(Actually nations like pakistan do that to avoid civil war and this really is not a flattering comparison). Frankly bud, u guys can't afford a war not a major one anyway. Go bomb saddam for a day and have some minor skirmishes if it will satisfy ur macho ego(think the strong muscled good american who will protect the innocent, saves children and of course gets the blonde) or something and come back and start rebuilding the economy and oh of course if civillians die it won't matter to you because they aren't american. (You war mongers are so sick).

The reason why the world hates america is not because u encourage terrorism.Every country does that when they get the chance.Its frankly because u guys take a moral stand. And it doesn't help that u r the most powerful country so u can get away with bullying others .




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 Re: i wonder

 
 by jab51270 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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You have no idea how right you are. I have seen the light. I now know the errors of my ways and I could use a really good fight. Why don't you bring your ass out on the street and let me bitch slap you around a little bit. That might help me feel a little better.

Good Lord man , do you think this is what we look for? Do you honestly believe we go looking for a fight? Give me a break! Believe me there's far more things I would rather do.


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 Re: i wonder

 
 by kaise on: Mar 16 2003
 
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Frankly i wonder about u americans whether u really have any brains at all to let somebody like this come into power and just scare u to death.

Well, considering that Al Gore won the popular vote...

"Jeb said he'd deliver Florida, folks, and boy did he ever" - Ani DiFranco


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 Perspective

 
 by SomethingWonderful on: Mar 10 2003
 
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This is all very interesting and, frankly, not surprising. :)

I just have a little note about containment and war with related countries:

You know, France was the one screaming in World War II that Hitler was a madman and that American troops had to liberate it. Frankly, we didn't have to go to war with Germany. We could have simply cut a deal. After all, going to war led to:

1) The destabalization of the region

2) The slaughter of millions

3) Chaos and anarchy in a stable, albeit oppressive, dictatorship in France and other European nations.

When we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, we could have retaliated simply by attacking the Japanese with the public announcement that since it was the Japanese who did attack us, we just wanted to take care of business there, eliminate the threat, and told Germany that we still were not going to get involved in their "internal affairs". Yes, Germany was an ally of Japan, but it did not directly attack the United States.

Much like the situation today, Iraq is somewhat allied to Al Quaeda and other terrorist organizations (perhaps indirectly, perhaps very tenuously). If we had listened to those same arguments back then, then by European logic, we should never have landed in Normandy. There was simply no call for it. Hitler was a brutal dictator? So what? There were other dictators in the world at the time, and we never laid a hand on them (such as Stalin).

Unfortunately for the European "peacemakers", we did not listen to them and decided to brazenly attack Nazi Germany and free the French by bombing France and other places. Of course, the French were not crying out for non-involvement then, were not listing the fact that there were other dictators to be dealt with at the time, did not say "Yes, Hitler is a bad guy and I hope he is removed, but by peaceful means", and did not point to the fact that attacking the Germans would mean a World War and destablization throughout the world with tens of thousands, or possibly millions, of innocent civilians killed.

Perhaps that would be France's view today were they to be invaded. But it is quite intolerable for them to forget their own pain that others currently feel, dismissing them with the rationalization of Chamberlinesque arguments where all voices are equal and fair - even those of the mass murderers of which they have had a taste thereof not so long ago.

I cannot but smirk at the French and German position about the U.S. Empire because I ask this: Where is it exactly that we have vast tracts of land conquered and colonized in the rest of the world? I see none. No one pays American taxes outside of America, no one is subjugated under our rule, and no one has ever had their oil fields robbed from them, or any other national treasures. Indeed, if it was about oil, we could simply make a deal with Saddam and get more oil money than we could by invading his country.

No, I really have to laugh at the French and German position because, by testament to their own recent history, they are absolutely wrong.

Again, we have gone forth from these shores many times in the last century, and all the land that we have ever requested in return were a few simple plots in which to bury our own dead after the job was done.

Nathaniel Harari
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 Re: Perspective

 
 by jab51270 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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This is one of the best post I have read yet.


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 Re: Perspective

 
 by frodie on: Mar 12 2003
 
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What is this war all about? The liberation of Iraq? I wouldn't think so, no. Quite frankly, I don't see the connection between 11/9 and a war against Iraq. Well, to be quite honest, I don't see any connection between 11/9 and any war. By what standards must thousands of innocent Afganistanians or Iraqians die because of what a dussin or so mad-men did? By that standard, why didn't the UN let Nicaragua bomb Washington DC or N.Y city back to the stone-age in the eighties?

And what gives America the right to decide what countries needs a new government or needs to be disarmed? If I were Saddam Hussein, or Northern Korea, I would, before the UN, demand that America reveals their weapons of mass-destruction.


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 Re: Re: Perspective

 
 by ozric on: Mar 14 2003
 
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First the world knows that the United States has nuclear weapons, what is there to declare?

Second the United States signed the Chemical Weapons Treaty banning chemical weapons and authorizing inspections that can be demanded by any party that has signed the treaty, what do you have left to declare?

Bioweapons? You'll have to shutdown every veterinary resaerch program that studies anthrax and other animal diseases.



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 Re: Re: Re: Perspective

 
 by phoenix73 on: Mar 17 2003
 
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"Second the United States signed the Chemical Weapons Treaty banning chemical weapons and authorizing inspections that can be demanded by any party that has signed the treaty, what do you have left to declare?"

Interesting point. Did you know the US still has enormous stockpiles of VX and other chemical weapons eventhough they signed the Chemical Weapons Treaty? Due to "technical difficulties" the destruction of the stockpile isn't moving very fast.

On the nuclear issue: the US is planning to build a new generation of smaller, tactical nukes. This will break the non-prolifertion treaty signed by the US.

International treaties don't seem to mean a lot to the USA. Inspections of US weapon stockpiles will probably be very interesting. To bad the US has laws that would deny any foreign inspectors access.


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 Re: Perspective

 
 by anonymous on: Mar 13 2003
 
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America's decision to join WWII was admirable (I am writing this as a german) and has been rewarded with loyal friendship for the last two generations. However, the analogy to Iraq is fatally flawed:

When America went in, Hitler had already suffered defeat at Stalingrad, and Germany was slowly losing the war.
America's intervention greatly shortened the war, maybe saving millions of lives.
Entering a war in order to end it more quickly is right and just and neither Germany nor France will ever forget that, no matter how much you revile us now.

Very different from the current situation where Bush is using lies and bribes and arm-twisting to *start* a war.

Another thing that Germany will never forget is how war actually feels. Americans don't know this, because they haven't experienced a war on their own soil for many generations. The worst day of WWII was neither Hiroshima (60.000 dead) nor Nagasaki (40.000 dead) but the UK/US bombing of Dresden which killed 120.000 refugees in a single night, at a time when allied forces were only weeks from capturing Berlin anyway. We do not wish this fate upon anyone, no matter what they did.


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 Re: Re: Perspective

 
 by herschel on: Mar 13 2003
 
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It's not that they made that decision on their own though.
They were kind of dragged into it by the japanese attack on pearl harbour.
Interestingly, the japanese did that as a "preemtive strike" to hinder the pacific fleet from meddling with their colonial interests in south east asia.

They joined the war in europe after it became clear that the reich wouldn't stop the red army, so they went in to prevent the soviets from rolling over all of europe, nothing wrong with that, though, but it was certainly not to shorten the war.

And after that they could have done better, too, for example accept Stalins proposal of a united, neutral germany (like Austria for example) instead of enforcing a devision just for gaining control over the industrial capacities in the western zones.

France is an interesting matter as well, always being reminded of it's WWII dept while it's deliberately forgotten that the french support was crucial for the victory in the American's war of independence. The gratitude even goes as far as renaming french fries to freedom fries...


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 Re: Perspective

 
 by phoenix73 on: Mar 17 2003
 
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"Yes, Germany was an ally of Japan, but it did not directly attack the United States."

I may be mistaken but as far as I know the
US congres was initially unwilling to get directly involved in WWII. This position changed only after German U-boats started torpedoing US ships near the south eastern coast of the USA and in the Gulf of Mexico.


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 How dumb can you be?

 
 by hovercraft on: Mar 10 2003
 
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Anyone who cannot tell the difference between the USA and Irag, or Isreal, etc has no moral foundation.

"Ignorance can be educated, but stupid is forever"


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 Re: How dumb can you

 
 by dolmant on: Mar 13 2003
 
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You sound like you listen to Dennis Prager.

The US is morally better than other countries.


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 One last comment...

 
 by SomethingWonderful on: Mar 10 2003
 
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I cannot help but reply to some other previous posts and thoughts.

"It is about oil" is the international anti-U.S. cry these days, or seems like it. Please let me remind you of a few facts. You may look them up in the history books:

1) Where exactly are our oil profits from almost invading Haiti to try to remove a dictator? (Remember that? We almost did go in and were 1 hour away from war when the dictator stepped down after being convinced by Powell)

2) Where exactly are our oil profits from Somalia? I don't recall any.

3) Neither do I recall any oil profits, or any profits, from walking into Bosnia.

4) I do not recall any oil profits from removing Noriega in Panama.

5) No oil or business profits which I remember so vividly from our venture into Kosovo - something which the European nations begged us to do, and begged us not to go to the Security Council because the Russians would veto the proposal.

6) No oil profits from Korea. In fact, it has been an extremely expensive drain to keep up the DMZ...and for no real reason other than trying to stem a dictatorship. I don't see a very profitable venture there, do you? Please list some facts.

7) How exactly did we profit from sending troops into Vietnam? Regardless of whether you were for or against the war, how was it anything else but the clash of ideals, even flawed as they were?

8) People say that Kuwait was about oil as well. Perhaps it was, but then again I humbly submit that you are not a Kuwait who experienced the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein and cheered in the streets when the U.S. troops arrived. Do you honestly think that they cared if it was for oil or for other ideals? I suggest that you speak to some before you make suggestions such as these.

9) Did we have a cold war with the Soviets for oil? After all, that silent war cost us trillions of dollars...and for what? We have made bargains with other dictators, why did we not simply bargain with them?

Before you start assigning nonexistant purposes, or even shadowy ones, to the motives of a President, I suggest that you sit down and read a comprehensive history of each conflict instead of the liberal pap and drivel which spews from the mouths of raving anti-U.S. protesters. It is far too facile to wave your hands and simply attribute anything you dislike about the U.S. to Imperial and Oil interests.

The U.S. is being assailed by everyone in the world whom are under the impression that the U.S. has done wrong in the past. While this is true and we have certainly made numerous mistakes in our foreign policy, it is also true that those same people are under the impression that the U.S. can do no right. This is a blatant canard which must be dispelled by the facts. I see no oppression enforced by the U.S. and yet I am witness to constant accusations of others who happen to insist that we are no better than Saddam Hussein.

This is nowhere near a fair assessment of the country or even policies as a whole and represent the attitudes of people with a serious axe of hatred to grind.

Nathaniel Harari
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 Re: One last comment...

 
 by anonymous on: Mar 11 2003
 
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" 1) Where exactly are our oil profits from almost invading Haiti to try to remove a dictator? (Remember that? We almost did go in and were 1 hour away from war when the dictator stepped down after being convinced by Powell)"


US pressure in that case served the interests mainly of Corporate America (TM), not those of the haitian people. More information at
http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/Issues/96-06 JUNE/haitiaftertheu.s..html


" 2) Where exactly are our oil profits from Somalia? I don't recall any."


Somalia was (and still is) in a complex situation after several years of Civil War. This page http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/multi/war/somalia.html
provides valuable information.


" 3) Neither do I recall any oil profits, or any profits, from walking into Bosnia.


5) No oil or business profits which I remember so vividly from our venture into Kosovo - something which the European nations begged us to do, and begged us not to go to the Security Council because the Russians would veto the proposal."


Clinton's personal interests in the Balkans situation were at stake there. "In the case of Bosnia, intervention was motivated in large part by the desire of President Clinton to remove Bosnia from the national agenda before the 1996 election." (Burg, 1999 - http://web.mit.edu/ssp/fall99/burg.pdf )


" 4) I do not recall any oil profits from removing Noriega in Panama."


It was about the Cold War. Noriega used to be in CIA's payroll and when he "became a double-agent" (simplistically speaking), the US overthrew him.


" 6) No oil profits from Korea. In fact, it has been an extremely expensive drain to keep up the DMZ...and for no real reason other than trying to stem a dictatorship. I don't see a very profitable venture there, do you? Please list some facts."


That's why, although being listed as one of the members of the "Axis of Evil" (hah!), Korea is not under imminent threat of war. Iraq is. Days ago the US claimed that the Iraqi missiles were irregular because they were beyond the acceptable specifications for about ~50km. Korea recently said they have missiles that can fly all the way to the US.


" 7) How exactly did we profit from sending troops into Vietnam? Regardless of whether you were for or against the war, how was it anything else but the clash of ideals, even flawed as they were?"


Strategic presence at the region, just like Afghanistan.


" 8) People say that Kuwait was about oil as well. Perhaps it was, but then again I humbly submit that you are not a Kuwait who experienced the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein and cheered in the streets when the U.S. troops arrived. Do you honestly think that they cared if it was for oil or for other ideals? I suggest that you speak to some before you make suggestions such as these."


Now they do. They are still paying their debts for the US help. The Gulf War was a lose-lose situation for Kuwait. I blame Saddam for that.


" 9) Did we have a cold war with the Soviets for oil? After all, that silent war cost us trillions of dollars...and for what? We have made bargains with other dictators, why did we not simply bargain with them?"


It was for way me than oil. It was for the position the US is now: the only superpower.


My conclusion is that you're making a logical fallacy here. You're implying that the Iraq situation is not about oil because the aforementioned ones weren't.


" Before you start assigning nonexistant purposes, or even shadowy ones, to the motives of a President, I suggest that you sit down and read a comprehensive history of each conflict instead of the liberal pap and drivel which spews from the mouths of raving anti-U.S. protesters. It is far too facile to wave your hands and simply attribute anything you dislike about the U.S. to Imperial and Oil interests."


Who writes the history? We have seen it happen, we remember, as we see now. We see *now* that it is about oil. When they'll write about 2003 in the History books, they're not gonna write that it was about oil. Then, in ten years, someone will read the history books like you're recommending and then say that the oil interest was "nonexistant or shadowy", since it's not on the books.


" The U.S. is being assailed by everyone in the world whom are under the impression that the U.S. has done wrong in the past. While this is true and we have certainly made numerous mistakes in our foreign policy,"


Any of them in your previous list?


" it is also true that those same people are under the impression that the U.S. can do no right."


This is not true. Not everyone who thinks that the US has done wrong in the past (a true fact, as you said) thinks that the US can do no right.


" This is a blatant canard which must be dispelled by the facts. I see no oppression enforced by the U.S. and yet I am witness to constant accusations of others who happen to insist that we are no better than Saddam Hussein."


I agree with you here. I don't see the US and Iraq as equals, but I do see Bush much more inclided to war than Hussein, right now. Note that this was not true back in Gulf War I, when Hussein attacked first. The point here is that Bush wants to pass an impression that Iraq attacked first through terrorism. Equating Iraq to the Al-Qaeda is just as wrong as equating US to Iraq.


" This is nowhere near a fair assessment of the country or even policies as a whole and represent the attitudes of people with a serious axe of hatred to grind."


I do see hatred in both sides (not in you, but in people that say that "war is the only solution"), and I am deeply saddened by what I see. That's why I am pro-peace.



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 Re: Re: One last comment...

 
 by LodeRunner on: Mar 11 2003
 
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Sorry, that appeared as "anonymous". I (LodeRunner) wrote that. Spacing looked larger that I thought it would too. KDE-Look could really use a "Preview" button. Allowing "A" tags would also be helpful.


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 Lack of Vision

 
 by anonymous on: Mar 12 2003
 
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First, I am not american. Nor I live or lived in US.
Second, I am brazilian, a country that has a mainly anti-us media and intelectuals.

I think there are some false undestandings about the US role in the world.
I would like you to point out, in the history of mankind a single society that was more democratic, and with more respect for the freedom of OTHER people than the americans.

Where would we bw if USSR had won the cold war?
See what happened in history for countries occupied by americans: Japan, France, Germany: democracy and freedom. Compare with Tibet, the former sovietic satellites, Timor Leste, and many, many more in the world.
Would you prefer to have China in this role? Or Russia? Or France? Or Germany? No. When they had the chance, they were much less democratic than the US. _They are NOT imperialists._ If they were, they would have already an empire by now. USSR was imperialists. China is imperialist just now. The last "imperialist" move by US was at least a century ago.

More, they truly have faith in their role in the world as freedom fighters. And their economic profit has been always higly overrated. People try _hard_ to find reasons other than altruistis reasons for US actions.
So they say, Clinton this Bush that... see your own list of reasons. It's just silly.

I would agree with a forum of democratic nations to have the power to act as the police in the world. But people like to talk a lot, but just don't take responsability. Will thay take an action if they see that they made an error of judgement about Saddam?
Will they spend money (a lot of money) for this action? Will they accept to see they own die in a foreign country? You must answer yes to all this questions to have the right to vote.

After all, Saddam is a dictator, who use mass destruction weapons, who rules with brutality, who have an ethnic engineering program (like the Nazi and the Soviets), and is one of the richest mans in the world. This guy is capable of anything. And you can only talk about Bush.

Are you for delaying the war? More time for a pacific solution? Fine. There are valid points I do respect. But if you ant to have multilateral decision, there should be multilateral responsability. And that I have not seen yet.


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 Re: Lack of Vision

 
 by cheesenoodle on: Mar 13 2003
 
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I think I have to agree with you.

It seems like people bitch about the US no matter what we do... if we don't do something they say we're so self-centered and don't care about the rest of the world, and yet if we do do something, they say we're being imperialistic or it's all about oil or some crap like that.

There's nothing wrong with the world all working together, that's a good thing. But it seems like a lot of people just like to talk and talk and talk and not actually get anything done.


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 Re: Lack of Vision

 
 by brain on: Mar 16 2003
 
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Democracy can be imposed to a country by another country? Democracy means that whatever a country wants to do, US can decide if it's right or not? or democracy still means that who doesn't agree US rules, is out-of-the-world? they should fix the dictionary then


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 OPTIONS

 
 by WinterWolf on: Mar 11 2003
 
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You should add an option like "war si ntot he answer" and "other opinion".


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 Re: OPTIONS

 
 by alternate on: Mar 11 2003
 
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Exactly, the current post implies a war is the final solution. It just leaves the WHEN to choose! not really a yes or no here...


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 9-11

 
 by jab51270 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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To the people who have voted to not go to war that are Americans
I say you, "YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THIS COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES THE
THE BLANKET OF FREEDOM PROVIDING YOU THE RIGHT TO SAY YOUR OPINIONS.
Each and every one of you have forgotten 9-11. If you don't like
the freedoms you enjoy then get the f@#k out of this country. If
Saddam is not stopped, who in this country, on our soil, will die
next? Your family? Your children? To those of other nations posting
here, if and when your country your country is invaded, and your
freedoms are stripped from you...who will come liberate you? The good
ol' US of A, right along with our bretheren in arms Great Britan!!!

Yeah here's a good idea...let's let the politacal proccess that has failed
for over a decade continue. In the mean time letting Saddam continue
to supply Terrorist with arms and weapons to kill democracy, our
families, and the American dream.

Good call traitor...now get the F*@k out of this country that I help
to defend every day I wake up!!!


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 Re: 9-11

 
 by flavuloid on: Mar 12 2003
 
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Oh, God... Yup, you're right.
And when Bush dies, he should go to heaven and take the
place of one of the guys there at the Holy Trinity...

Come on! Turn your brain on before posting things like the
one I am replying. Express opinions, points of view, tell
us about facts that make you believe in the position
you are defending... But this...


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 Re: Re: 9-11

 
 by Verite2003 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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Interesting...did that post bother you? Did it hit a nerve? I mean after all you wasted time responding to it...maybe you should take your own advice.


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 Re: Re: 9-11

 
 by jab51270 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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Let me see...the position I am defending...OH yeah...the United States of America! It has something to do with that oath I took when I entered the service with this great nation.

The USA has proven time and time again that it does not act without reason. This action, like the the others before, is not some rash decision. The political process is still an ongoing thing, and will continue even if the bombing starts. The USA is not looking to destroy Iraq. It wants Saddam out of power. Would you want him for your neighbor? I wouldn't. Nor does his surrounding coutries.

With all of the evidence that has been presented can you honestly sit there and tell me that he can trusted? If he invades and/or attacks his neighboring countries, or his own people, but with greater conseqeunces what makes you think he will stop there? And when he invades or attacks your country who will come help you? Who will your nation call upon in it's defense? The USA.

Right now the world community views the US as a monster and war monger, blaming it for all of this. If Saddam is allowed to continue with his twisted plan of domination and weapons of mass destruction and the world community does nothing to stop him, the US will still be blamed.

The last time I checked, most countries look to US for help...finacially, militarilly and otherwise. Then those same countries turn right around and scoff at the US calling it an evil empire bent on world domination. When was the last time the US invaded a country to take it over? NEVER. Take Kuwait, the majority of the people in that country HATE America, even after we, along with the world community, liberated them from Saddam!

So you just go ahead and go back to your little hole that's obviously not in this great nation, but is defended by it, and get bent. I'm going to go put on my uniform and go to work to do my small part in helping to defend your worthless ass, TRAITOR.


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 by brain on: Mar 16 2003
 
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i would prefer Saddam Hussein as my neighbourgh than Bush or you. You want to defend aganist something that's not attacking.. so you are attacking. You first sell bombs to him, then you wanna attack him cause he has bombs? i can't still understand.. anyway US has much more bomb than him, it's more dangerous, so the rest of the world should destroy US no? or why you don't even destory all your weapons? to give us the good example.


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 by Datschge on: Mar 12 2003
 
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To the people who have decided to keep Bush as president even without him having the majority of the votes that are Americans I say you, "YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO THIS COUNTRY THAT PROVIDES THE THE BLANKET OF FREEDOM PROVIDING YOU THE RIGHT TO SAY YOUR OPINIONS. Each and every one of you have forgotten 9-11. If you don't like the freedoms you enjoy then get the f@#k out of this country. If Bush is not stopped, who in this country, on our soil, will die next? Your family? Your children? To those of other nations posting here, if and when your country your country is invaded, and your freedoms are stripped from you...who will come liberate you? The good ol' US of A, right along with our bretheren in arms Great Britan!!!

Yeah here's a good idea...let's let the politacal proccess that has failed for over a decade continue. In the mean time letting Bush continue to supply FBI, CIA, DIA etc. sponsored Terrorist with arms and weapons to kill democracy, our families, and the American dream.

Good call traitor...now get the F*@k out of this country that I help to defend every day I wake up!!!

Note to self: well working propaganda is highly flexible and can made fit to any situation as long as the public is not questioning the motives and looking at the facts.


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 by jab51270 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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And this, a comment coming from someone who needs to study the American 'ELECTORAL COLLEGE'. Do some homework and then post a comment worthy of a response...TRAITOR!


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 by Datschge on: Mar 12 2003
 
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Dude, you need to get a life and take your time to look into your own consitution and then compare what your government is supposed to do and what it is actually doing. The problem is that while initially the public had all the power and right to control the government with the time the system moved away to a system which works mostly through propaganda. The public has no chance to control to government anymore since the government isn't interested in giving the necessary information for it to do so. Welcome in the age of disinformation. Thank you for contributing to it.


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 by jab51270 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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Good Engrish :) Din't get a word of it. I will repeat myself. The 'Electoral College". Read it and you will understand the principals behind it. I assure you it is not propaganda (good one). Thanks for your comments...nazi


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 Re: Re: 9-11

 
 by jab51270 on: Mar 12 2003
 
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See this link http://www.fec.gov/pages/ecmenu2.htm


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 by phoenix73 on: Mar 16 2003
 
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LOL. Is this an example of the kind of democracy that the US thinks it can bring to the Iraqi people? One of the pilars of democracy is the freedom to express opinions and to question the policies of our leaders. Democracy doesn't mean: shut up and blindly follow the leader.


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