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What do you want to see in KDE 3.0


Posted by  on Oct 28 2001

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more alpha blending29%29%29% 29%
more styles2%2%2% 2%
more/better icons5%5%5% 5%
more applications13%13%13% 13%
more speed47%47%47% 47%
new theme manager4%4%4% 4%
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 New Kicker

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 29 2001
 
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Please redesign the Kicker. In my opinion it is the worsed part of KDE. What I like is the Dock in OS X or, similar to this, the Panel in CDE style by Gnome. I know, KDE is not Aqua or Gnome, but a little bit more designe and innovative ideas wouldn't be bad. The alternate design could be optionally.
This is the only part I can really critisize. What I would like to see is a alternate style, with a completely new packet of Icons, for example.
But a big applause for the good work done by the KDE-Team. It's more and better done than anybody could expect.

Kap Ka


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 hmm?

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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what things do you want changed in kicker?


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 Kicker

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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The Look. It's too static and unimaginative. You should have more possibilities to style it. How I said, something like the dock. I know this is much work and I have no really clear idea, I am not a designer, but the kicker is a little bit to "bieder" we here in Germany would say, honest, I think in english.


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 UPS

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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don't know how this happend


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 KWin

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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KWin is in my opinion still the weakest part of KDE and that's basically why I don't use KDE as Desktop, just Enlightenment (Of course I still use KDE applications).

I love to glue a transparent terminal to the background and monitor log files in it. This is no problem with enlightenment. I use a transparent window manager, move it to the right position, set the border style to borderless, bring the Window to the background, remove it from the window list, make it available to all desktop and then tell enlightenment to save all these settings and restart the window at the next login.

Or in Gimp with all the windows, I've applied a "side" border style to an dialog box and moved the box to the left. Upon double click on the title bar, it will shade to the left border... and so on.

This is not something really special in enlightenment since I saw other window managers like Sawfish, or Window Maker beeing cappable of this, too.

The best option would be to allow other Window Managers in KDE than just KWin. Whoever tried this, nows, that this does not really work, since a lot of KDE applications rely on the proprietaery KWin, which is not a real Window Manager, but places a Window over the complete X desktop and displays a pseudo window manager in this desktop.

Example: When you open a page with an Java Applet in KOnqueror, the Java Applet is opened in a different window, if you don't use KWin.

Well, either improve Kwin, or support other Window Managers for use with KDE (like Gnome is doing) and don't let KDE Applications rely on the usage of KWin. A KDE Application should be Window Manager independent.


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 KDE independent WM?

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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Hi,

why do you wish to see this?

-Pippi Långstrump-


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 WM independent KDE

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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I don't want an KDE independent WM (there are already a lot), I want KDE applications and the desktop to be independent FROM a WM, unless KWin does not fullfil my requirements to a flexible WindowManager. It sure hell better than Windoze, but way behind the possibilties of other WMs


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 ajs

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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hrm. well, you are rather completely off base with your assumptions about kwin.

firstly, it isn't "proprietary", it implements the open NetWM spec. sawfish and fvwm2 (with a patch) use these same hints. blackbox is adopting NetWM in a future release as well. any wm that uses NetWM hints will (and does) run in KDE2[2|3] just fine.

as for the root window issue, that is kdesktop you are thinking of, not kwin.

as for the advanced window handling like in E, i agree that kwin could deffinitely be made to be more interesting in that regard. so, where can i downlaod your patches? ;-P


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 uhm

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 1 2001
 
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try this:
(for example, I use blackbox)

in .xinitrc

kdesktop --x-root&
kicker&
exec blackbox

Notice the --x-root, it tells not to make window for desktop


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 huh?

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 1 2001
 
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any netwm compliant window manager works with kde. these include, currently, kwin, blackbox, and sawfish.

netwm is the hints used by kde 2.x and gnome 1.4, so kde is only as reliant on one window manager as gnome is to sawfish.


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 Tried it, but...

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 1 2001
 
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Well, I've tried it with Sawfish (maybe I will try it with blackbox sometimes), BUT

(1) Kicker Docklets are opened in a window instead in the Dock bar

(2) if I tell a window to be excluded from the window list, it still appears in the taskbar (e.g. I want this for the log file monitors running in the back.

Anyway, thank you both for trying to help.


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 blackbox and netwm

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 1 2001
 
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blackbox does not yet have netWM hints. the current development version is headed in that direction, but you don't want to use the devel version at this point, even if it did have netWM support.

there is a version of fvwm2 that has netWM support, however


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 Real transparency

 
 by Yaba on: Oct 31 2001
 
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Mosfet was able to create really transparent menus in his theme. Why is this not possible in other Applications, like Konsole?

I would like to see the applications shining through the console, not just the background.


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 real trans

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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mosfet's menus aren't truly translucent. they appear that way since they take an image of what appears below and modifies that to use as its background. its a cleverly done illusion.

open a menu in liquid and move a window under it: you won't see the new window!

to do this same thing for an entire window would be unbelievably expensive and would require constant refreshes to keep properly updated.

basically, until X supports translucent windows it isn't going to happen.


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 Poll

 
 by anonymous on: Oct 31 2001
 
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1 - More speed new, home or business users require or need it
2 - More alpa blending and better icons. Face it, only IT personel and programmers might not care to much, but everyday users love "pretty" software. XP and OS X woe consumers that way.
3 - stable applications! nuff said


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 pretty is not #2

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 1 2001
 
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i agree with your #1 and #3 points (even if they are out of order ;-), but your #2 is dead wrong. technophiles and artists are drawn to what looks the coolest, but most people just use whatever is given them. those that pick discerningly based on look are a tiny and incosequential part of the user base.

appealing to the IT people who decide for the vast majority of people what they use is extremeley important. and if you draw the programmers in, you get greater numbers of apps with more and better features.

the aim should therefore be to make a desktop that is extremely functional and as efficient as possible to bring in the decision makers and influencers (IT staff and programmers).

which is pretty much exactly what KDE has been doing all along given the resources and technologies at hand. go KDE!


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 Speed! Speed! SPEED!

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 1 2001
 
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There was a poll on dot.kde.org a while ago. The vast majority decided on speed as the most wanted issue! And now in this poll speed is again leading. For me speed is the most important issue with KDE.
Unfortunately, I do not see a lot of improvement on this front. I know that the problem with start-up times is related to gcc/binutils. But it is not only the start-up time, also painting a picture is very slow in KDE. Try thumbnail view of a pic directory with Konqi compared to Paintbrush under Win. Try rendering a page with lots of pics. You can watch Konqi paint every single picture and then changing the layout of the whole page over and over again. The same page with IE just flies.
When talking about speed you also have to talk about responsiveness. KDE currently uses no multithreading. So, some actions (especially with Konqi) can make the whole desktop seem to hang for a second or two.

These were just two examples there are many other. Please improve the speed and responsiveness in KDE, it is by far the most wanted feature (proven in 2 polls now).
Thx, CHris


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 Links

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 2 2001
 
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Speed was the most wanted feature for 2.2. Here are the links:

The poll:
http://www.kde.com/polls/vote.php?poll=5

The discussion:
http://news.kde.org/988934998/

Chris


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 re: speed

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 28 2001
 
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well.. speed is important. But I think we need to focus a bit more on the future.. KDE being a workstation feature, does not rely as much on io speed etc as a server does. And since the CPU's are getting faster in a much quicker rate, and the prices are droping in an almost equal rate, I do not think speed is that much of an issue for the not so distant future.

I mean; if you use an P4-2000 with KDE2 it runs like hell, doesn't it?

Just IMHO.


-R-


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 kicker changes

 
 by tabby_cat on: Nov 2 2001
 
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howabout the option to change the display of minimised windows to being and icon ala OSX/*STeP dock - with tooltips of course.


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 Jaaaa

 
 by anonymous on: Nov 2 2001
 
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Jaaaaaaa that will be great !!!!!!!!


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