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Microsoft/Novell deal


Posted by Yaba on Dec 12 2006
The end of Microsoft13%13%13% 13%
Good9%9%9% 9%
Don't know25%25%25% 25%
Bad38%38%38% 38%
The end of free software15%15%15% 15%
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 unsure

 
 by janet on: Dec 12 2006
 
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I'm quite sure it is good for Microsoft in one way or another and I'm quite sure it's good for Novell. But I am not at all sure about the consequences for free software outside of Novell, gives me a bad feeling.


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 Re: unsure

 
 by cyrtainne on: Dec 23 2006
 
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Microsoft/Novell deal = GREED

That's about it. Taking something for nothing whenever and wherever they can and making money from it. I guess if Microsoft can't understand fair competition, they never will. I see another anti-trust lawsuit in the future.. this time, Suse linux will be involved so perhaps Microsoft won't have to take the heat.


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 OpenBSD new it...

 
 by soulrebel on: Dec 12 2006
 
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know the part in the new song?

...they said that they was open, but they was only open for business...

but as stallman put it, the deal comes at the right time. it will give the fsf time to add clauses to gpl3 that will prevent this sort of stuff in the future.


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 Re: OpenBSD new it..

 
 by Yaba on: Dec 13 2006
 
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... leading to more rejections of the GPL3?


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 Re: Re: OpenBSD new it..

 
 by soulrebel on: Dec 13 2006
 
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you must note that it is not "us" wanting to keep "them" out, if the reject the license, it is "they" who chose not to join the movement.

thats fine for me, since what they do doesnt benefit free software or the free software mevement anyway.


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 Re: Re: Re: OpenBSD

 
 by Yaba on: Dec 14 2006
 
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If the GPL becomes too restrictive there might be valid reasons why not to choose it.

There is a reason why Linus himself does not want GPL 3 for the kernel.

It doesn't help Linux, if the GPL v3 will prevent commercial software. What is needed on Linux are commercial grade applications.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Open

 
 by anupamsrtemp on: Dec 15 2006
 
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GPL v 3 being restrictive is a hoax.
There is nothing more or less than what GNU GPL has always been about: 'if you use my source code, you must let others also use it.'

GPL v 1 was inadequate. GPL v 2 resolved some issues, but it was still inadequate. GPL v 3 will try to resolve those. If it is not enough, GPL v 4 will come. But there is only one thing it is trying to do: if you are free to use my code, your code should also be free.'

Linus CANNOT use GPL v 3 since the copyright does not belong to him. Those who have will decide, and they are many many, some already dead and so on.

I don't see why is that a problem.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by tisource on: Dec 17 2006
 
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My understanding is that Linus DOES have copyright to Linux. If he truly doesn't, that's news to me.

I have mixed feelings. I think you have extremes from both sides at play here. Linux hasn't been commercial-friendly (which it needs to succeed long term, especially on the desktop). Many in the open-source world refuse to accept that commercial systems aren't going away.

But on the other hand, I think companies see Linux (and other open-source apps) and want to bypass open-source (primarily GPL2, in this case) restrictions and make profits on code they didn't produce, or to lock people into systems that keep them rich (ie Microsoft).

So I'm not sure if this is a good deal or not. It's probably good for Novell during the short term, but not good for the open-source community as a whole.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by soulrebel on: Dec 20 2006
 
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everybody has copyright to their own parts in linux.
if they want to chnge the license, everybody would have to agree.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OpenBSD

 
 by soulrebel on: Dec 20 2006
 
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the gpl does what it is supposed to:
it defends the rights of the community against those that would exploit the community for profit.

comercial acceptance of free operating systems is a nice thing, but you should always remember our goals, as the free software community...

- we do NOT simply want to make a better (as in quality of code) operating system than someone els
- we do not fight windows because its ugly
- we do not need anyone else using our software to run their business, THEY on the other hand need OUR software

=> our only goal should always be to create a completely free operating system.
everything else is bonus and everybody who thinks something else is more important, is a linux-hype-fanboy, but not a community member.

we DO NOT need to adapt our licenses,our development model or anything else to please big corporations. if they want our software it is they who need to adapt to our way.


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 MS vs Novell

 
 by snash on: Dec 15 2006
 
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Never trust Microsoft, never !

This has the potential to begin a codecs "witch hunt"


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 opposition to vista

 
 by twi on: Dec 18 2006
 
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I also have got a very bad feeling,
because there's an opposition to things i heard about Microsoft's Vista!
Because a few days ago I read in the German magazine "Chip", that Vista will avoid installing Open Source software!!!
I think this is called 'Trusted Computing' or something like that.
That's very contradictory to working together with Novell, I would say !


sorry, for my bad English
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 Re: opposition to vi

 
 by nirwin on: Dec 19 2006
 
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I have to agree, Microsoft have something up their sleeve, and I reckon it's a long term goal which will attempt to wipe out Open Source at the end of the agreement.
I would love to believe, they have turned a new page and have decided to stop trying to destroy fair, healthy competition, but I just can't stretch my imagination that far.

The whole not allowing Open Source applications to install sounds bang on like how they behave. Let's not forget their attempt to subtly murder openGL!


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 OpenS. & Microsoft

 
 by pusrob on: Dec 19 2006
 
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I don't understand why Microsoft behave so agressivly to Open Source. Its not a big competitor. Open Source takes only a small piece of the market worldwide! It cannot be compared to microsoft's market piece! Whats the problem then?


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 Re: OpenS. & Microsoft

 
 by soulrebel on: Dec 20 2006
 
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this is capitalism, man!

capitalism is about making profit. if somebody is taking away your market share (be it only half a percent) that is a danger to your business, so you normal just purchase the competitor and shut 'em down.
because microsoft cant do that (shutting 'em down by legal cases didnt work either -> sco), it is confused and is trying to buy other companies who it thinks will serve its interests.


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 Re: OpenS. & Microsoft

 
 by bitwit on: Dec 23 2006
 
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because its the only competitor...

Lets face it Mac=MS=Mac=MS corporate mentality boils down to the same thing
Study those commercials on tv (North America) PC vs Mac and you will notice somethings missing.
No reference to MS and there should be a penguin between those two guys giving them both the finger.


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 so whats the deal?

 
 by soulrebel on: Dec 20 2006
 
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the first outcome of this deal (there will probably be much more) is:

novell will implement the new microsoft document "standard" for openoffice.
now that sounds nice you think? well it isnt! bad enough that there are established standards that are not free and not in control of their users. but helping microsoft to establish its new standards instead of promoting free ones is a stab-in-the-back to all free software developers and the community.

say no to this kinda stuff, dont use openxml! dont buy from novell, they use your money against you!


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 Re: so whats the deal?

 
 by bitwit on: Dec 23 2006
 
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agree !!

Has anyone tried updating SuSE from 10.1 to 10.2 with the "Update" option in the installer ???
a decidedly MS experience, it will fail if you have ANYTHING installed that didn't come with SuSE.
if I didn't know my way around Linux I would have had to reformat and reinstall.
BARF! never had that problem in the 9.x series and no more OSS sound ??? WTF !!!
Allowing MS any influence at all in any aspect of OSS is going to be the end of OSS as we know it.

RESISTANCE IS FERTILE, YOU WILL BE ILLUMINATED !

I just hope its not already too late...


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