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Who should become president?


Posted by Yaba on Oct 10 2004
Linus Torvalds23%23%23% 23%
Richard Stallman12%12%12% 12%
Eric S. Raymond2%2%2% 2%
Arnold Schwarzenegger5%5%5% 5%
Britney Spears5%5%5% 5%
Elvis Presley (yes, he lives)4%4%4% 4%
Bugs Bunny13%13%13% 13%
Don't care as long as it's neither Bush nor Kerry9%9%9% 9%
Bush7%7%7% 7%
Kerry22%22%22% 22%
Votes: 3325
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 good question...

 
 by ogott on: Oct 11 2004
 
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president of what? please remember that not the whole world lives in the USA but most of the world's population lives in countries that are less self-centered than these schismatical colonies.

besides that, i don't think that political questions (no matter what topic) should be discussed on sites like this one (no matter how serious it is meant).

ogott


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 Re: good question...

 
 by Hintzy on: Oct 11 2004
 
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If I'm not mistaken, our dear Yaba, creator of all of these great polls, isn't from the US, so "self-centered" isn't the reason he didn't say what we're voting for the president of. Maybe it's safe to assume that most people are keeping with current events and know that there is an imminent election in the US. Maybe the poll is just more interesting if the question is vague. ;-) (Next poll question: "Why?" with a list of non-sensical answers)

Otherwise, I do agree with your statement that many Americans are self-centered. Living here, I see it every day, and just try to get through my daily life without hindering too many people from doing whatever it is that THEY WANT to do. If the laws can't tell them what to do, why should I?

I also agree that political topics are dangerous here, from what I've seen in the past. :-p

Personally, I'm considering voting for my car (a '69 BMW 1600-02). It's 35 years old (meeting the minimum age requirement), it's lived in the US it's whole life, it's hardworking, honest, dependable, etc....everything you want in a president! :-D


When nobody is looking, this sentence is in Spanish.
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 Re: Re: good questio

 
 by maitre on: Oct 11 2004
 
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I'll suggest another viewpoint against your "self-centered" American perspective. Self-centered is actually a cover-up of a human's natural instinct to survive with self-preservation in mind. With that being said, all people, all walks of life, and every country, humans are self-centered.


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 Re: Re: Re: good questio

 
 by sequitur on: Oct 12 2004
 
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Agreed. Everybody everywhere is inherently centered in the experience and interpretation of their self. Therefore no matter how altruistic you might be, or whatever benevolent efforts to attain an enlightented "other centered" self you undertake, there will be an inevitable dominance of self focus.

The expression self centered is actually a lazy attempt at an insult derived from slang, meaning the person thinks "the world revolves around them". A better term would be self absorbed. Unfortunately that would describe everyone struggling to pay bills and take care of their family. The real implication would actually be "self awareness to a degree you are unaware of others". Of course this is impossible to demonstrate solely by an awareness of your center of experience, isn't it. It's like saying "prove you didn't say this".

Anyone who refers collectively to a population base of 300 million from all parts of the world using the term self centered is in real intellectual trouble. No matter how valid the observation might be in specific cases, overlooking the very insulting and inaccurate nature of the accusation, over all it is an indication of irrational bias, commonly called prejudice.

Overlooking the fact that it is an inaccurate phrase intended only to insult, is based on someone not doing something instead of doing something and that it is being used in a prejudical manner we are left with this analysis. Complaining that a statement is centered somewhere where you are not centered, and therefore those people are intolerant, makes the person complaining intolerant about things not being focused enough around their center... One could imagine a phrase for this... ;-)

I'm not taking offense, just pointing out that making a blanket insult of a population base not being tuned to one of thousands of other population bases is really petty and absurd.


Eric Laffoon
kdewebdev (Quanta/Kommander) project lead

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: good

 
 by Hintzy on: Oct 12 2004
 
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You're right, it was a harsh generalization for me to make. There are tons of awesome people here in the US who I don't consider "self-centered". (or whatever you want to call it :-p ) As for your accusation of being "prejudiced", I'm an American too, so can I really be prejudiced against myself? ;-)

My statement certainly does not apply to everyone, but there are still a lot of people with the mentality that everything they say is the *absolute* truth, and everything they want to do, regardless of how it may adversely affect others, is the *absolute* right thing to do. And they make it clear that anybody who disagrees should go f*** themselves. I don't know what the correct term for this behavior is, but I see it every day in so many aspects of life in this country and it really makes me sad. I'm not perfect, far from it in fact, but I really try to be open-minded about other people's opinions, accept that I'm not always right, and think about what my words/actions mean to others. That's just what I was taught to do. This would be one of those cases where I didn't think before I spoke! It's obviously only a subset of my fellow Americans I'm unhappy with, not the whole lot. Sorry 'bout that. :-p

BTW, I'm still voting for my car. :-D

-John

"Little Bimmer" for President '04!
O=00=O


When nobody is looking, this sentence is in Spanish.
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 Be serious

 
 by harriseldon on: Oct 11 2004
 
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Please see Article II Section 5 of the US Constitution.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That leaves
Richard Stallman (51 years old born in Manhattan, NY)
George Bush (58 years old born in New Haven, CT)
John Kerry (60 years old born in Aurora, CO)


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 Re: Be serious

 
 by Yaba on: Oct 12 2004
 
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You forgot Britney Spears


To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it.
- Scott Granneman, Security Focus

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 Re: Re: Be serious

 
 by Hintzy on: Oct 12 2004
 
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She's not 35 yet, she's not eligible :-p


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 Re: Re: Re: Be serious

 
 by Yaba on: Oct 12 2004
 
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Oops... OK, but what about Bugs Bunny?


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 please

 
 by nunopinheiro on: Oct 12 2004
 
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please yaba did not said of what,
to me it can be president of transmeta or bsd or Britney Spears fan club, so my vote goes to linus :)


well, there is something wrong here..... oooo it's me.
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 Why do you vote?

 
 by pHROZENgHOST on: Oct 12 2004
 
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Bush and Kerry are terrible "options".

Better off to put Elvis in.At least he wouldn't send your innocent kids off to kill innocent citizens in Bush's

WAR OF TERRORISM

I pity you people!

I'm glad I am not an American. You have one hell of a tough battle to face over the next 3 to 4 years no matter what happens next month


Show me a politician that moves their lips and I'll show you a liar.
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 Richard Stallman no!

 
 by djworld on: Oct 12 2004
 
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I guess Richard Stallman shouldn't be elected as president. I wouldn't like to see GNU/USA in the maps. ;)


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 Re: Richard Stallman

 
 by maitre on: Oct 21 2004
 
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hahaahah, thats awesome...


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 My Statement

 
 by Yaba on: Oct 12 2004
 
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OK, since some people think that I am American and think that I insult others because I did not say "President of the US" but think that I assume that everybody only thinks of the U.S. as the one and only country...

(1) No, I am not from the U.S.

(2) Does it matter of which country we speak? The U.S. is a country as every others. They may be one of the biggest and most powerful, but still they are just a country as well as the former Sovjetunion, China or even Iraq. So simply consider that it may be your country we are talking about - no matter where you live. Would you rather have Bush, Kerry or Bugs Bunny as your President have you could choose?

(3) My personal opinion: Although the U.S. election may not affect everyone directly, it certainly will affect the resst of the world afterwards. I think most people that do not live in the U.S. have a different attitude when they think of the U.S. than they had before Bush was president. (BTW: Have you read and understood the first three words of this paragraph?)

(4) This poll is not a serious poll - not at all. Really. You know, Bugs Bunny oder Elvis Presley never will become president for obvious reasons. I thought that this should be clear.

(5) I know that this polls theme is critical. Local political stuff should not be discussed on an international site that deals with Linux. I just thought of having some fun.

(6) If I've insulted anyone I feel deeply sorry and please accept my appologies.

Peace, people!


To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it.
- Scott Granneman, Security Focus

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 Re: My Statement

 
 by pHROZENgHOST on: Oct 13 2004
 
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Yaba,

I think I must apologize to you. I do not think anyone is necessarily American. But this is a global page that could be read by anyone - including Americans.

And, nothing said here offends me personally. I'm Canadian.

I do feel sorry for the average American that can't see what is really happening.

Am I wrong in thinking "1984" is playing out 20 years later than the book by the same name described?

Did anyone else read the book?

Reality hits home when someone that survived WWII in East Germany (thinking the Nazis were correct) finally says OMG maybe the Nazis were not right after all!!!! Sort of a deja me.

I apologize to anyone that my comments may offend.


Show me a politician that moves their lips and I'll show you a liar.
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