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Submitted:  Aug 8 2007
Updated:  Apr 25 2013

Description:

A widget style for Qt4
- Pretty configurable
- More Mac than Windows - but no clone at all
- Don't ask me to port Baghira ;-)

As for what to do with GTK+ applications, have a look here:
http://arch-stuff.org/content/show.php?content=134123

It suites the default look pretty well. Set the "Default" titlebar background colors to 239/239/240 and the text to something dark/gray.

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Thalics complete Bespin Guide is afaik still down, sorry :-(




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Due to sf.net updates, the code is now tracked here:
svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/cloudcity/code/ cloudcity-code




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 Can't click on links in the Microblog plasmoid.

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 14 2011
 
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I filed this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288890 . Aaron Seigo couldn't reproduce this bug, since he wasn't using Bespin. The bug reproduction instructions are as follows.

1. Enable the Microblog widget, with Oxygen. You will be able to click on links, with the caveats described in the bug.
2. Enable Bespin, restart Plasma. You'll lose the ability to click on links.

Aaron Seigo mentioned something about Qt issues with proxy widgets. Perhaps the hacks you're doing there are breaking the Microblog plasmoid.


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 Re: Can't click on links in the Microblog plasmoid

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 14 2011
 
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a) can you use the mouse to select text in that view?
b) since the microblog wants me to log into some twitter account or similar (what is not gonna happen), i cannot test it locally. If we cannot fix it in two or three comments, please file a bug at cloudcity.sf.net - the kde-look.org forum isn't really suitable for this task :)


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 Re: Re: Can't click on links in the Microblog plas

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 14 2011
 
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1. The problem has nothing to do with the "input zone", the area I use to tweet. It's the tweet list, and I can't select text from there.

2. Thanks for the info :)


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 Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in the Microblog

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 14 2011
 
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can you post a screenshot so that i know what i've to look up the microblog sources for?

can you select that text with oxygen? (ie. is only clicking links broken or all interaction)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in the Microb

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 14 2011
 
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The text of the tweet list is not designed to allow further interaction, so, I can't select text there, since the Microblog plasmoid is designed that way. If I click and drag over the TL, I scroll (literally dragging the tweet list)

However, with Oxygen, if someone publishes a link in a tweet, I can click over it and the link will open in my default browser. That click doesn't work with Bespin.

The issue is further complicated, since, as Aaron Seigo wrote, when you hover over a link in Oxygen, the cursor won't change into a hand, but the click itself will work. If you try with Bespin, neither the hand or the click works.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in the Mi

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 15 2011
 
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Ok, however i /will/ need a screenshot since i've absolutely NO cluea what you're talking about - i installed and added the plasmoid, entered a fake account for identi.ca and got a (clickable) user icon and an input field which remained static acoss tab changes.
And that's it.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in th

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 15 2011
 
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http://ompldr.org/vYnF5bg

There you have it. As you can see, this screenie is taken with Oxygen (with Bespin, margins are a bit wider, and I have less real estate with the Microblog plasmoid).



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in the Mi

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 15 2011
 
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Ok, thanks. It's the same widget used in the notifications, i've checked those and can successfully click links (but as you mentioned, cursor change doesn't work)

please try sending yourself a link in a notification and click it:
"wall '<html><a href="http://www.kde.org/">kde.org</a></html>'"
(whether or not wall will trigger notifications can be configured in "kcmshell4 notify" / "Local system message service")

If this does not work either, please mail me your bespin config - otherwise just say "weird" ;-)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in th

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 15 2011
 
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http://ompldr.org/vYnF6Mg

There's my Bespin setup.

This isn't working. If I click on the link generated with that command, the notification closes and nothing happens. I should be in KDE.org homepage, but I'm nowhere.

Can you check if this is because I'm running with a 125dpi monitor? Has that something to do with this?



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in the Mi

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 15 2011
 
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Ok, i'm pretty sure that 1430 will fix (or work around) it.
Side effect of a broken viewport usage in eg (then) krita which prevented easy dragging.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't click on links in th

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 15 2011
 
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Indeed! 1430 seems to have fixed this!

Thanks, Thomas!



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 Re: Re: Can't click on links in the Microblog plas

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 14 2011
 
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Uh, I omitted the most important thing...

3. All my tests are being done with the very latest Bespin code (svn up from today).


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 Calligra.

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 15 2011
 
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The second bug report in a row. Please, watch the difference between these 3 screenshots.

Screenshot 1. Calligra Words started with Bespin.
http://ompldr.org/vYnIzOA

Screenshot 2. Calligra Words started with Oxygen.
http://ompldr.org/vYnIzOQ

Screenshot 3. Calligra Words started with Oxygen, after I switched back to Bespin in the corresponding KCM.
http://ompldr.org/vYnIzYg

Please, can you make Screenshot 1 look like Screenshot 3? The absence of UI text is really confusing me when I try to use Calligra Words.


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 Re: Calligra.

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 15 2011
 
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Triaging myself: this anomalous behaviour disappeared when I disabled the workaround "QDockWidgets: lock positions". Maybe a special case for Calligra should be introduced.


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 Re: Re: Calligra.

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 15 2011
 
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fixed r1433 - at least for koffice, but the code is generic enough and should also cover calligra.
I also fixed their "we counted pixels and set the dimension" iconview there ... tsss =D


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 Re: Re: Re: Calligra.

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 15 2011
 
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Immensely better. You killed about 5px of dead margins.


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 Weird black things on window borders

 
 by gravy on: Dec 16 2011
 
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I'm getting some weird black edges on my windows.

Screenshot: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/16/snapshot36.png

My config file can be found here: http://pastebin.com/TDDaDL5Q

Some specific settings are:
* KWin compositioning is disabled. (As far as I know, this only happens when compositioning is disabled)

Note:
* This problem seems to only show up after a restart. If you change enough bespin settings, it seems to go away until the next restart.
* Perhaps related to my custom air theming?

Any idea why this happens, and how to fix it? I deleted my bespin configuration, and redid it completely, and I also recompiled the binaries from scratch, all to no avail..


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 Re: Weird black things on window borders

 
 by gravy on: Dec 16 2011
 
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I forgot to say, KDE 4.7.4, Kubuntu 11.10. I'm using the Kubuntu Launchpad PPA for stable KDE point updates as well, specifically ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa .


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 Re: Re: Weird black things on window borders

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 16 2011
 
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Happens when turning off compositing, apparently i "forgot" (?) to implement the watcher (or was deco change on compositing change triggered by kwin in 4.6? no idea)

it's fixed in r1437 - many thanks for the report.


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 Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on window borders

 
 by gravy on: Dec 16 2011
 
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Thanks for the prompt reply!

The problem seems to still exist for me (I can see it after I reboot again).

When I go into the system settings now, and click on "workspace appearance", the decoration switches from black (first screenshot in first post) to complete white* in all windows***, I pressed close, and when I open any windows now, it's back to normal**, until another reboot. When the window is in the "white block" state, right before it closes, it changes to round edges for a split second as well.

Hopefully that helps.. Let me know if you need/want anything else. :)

* http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/16/snapshot37.png
** http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/16/snapshot39.png
*** Seems that it didn't happen to my Firefox window, which has a different decoration look than the official KDE windows, and is fullscreened. Firefox just directly went to round again instead.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on window borde

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 16 2011
 
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try r1438, should fix.

Bespin has no real word in lancelot, but either the plasma theme doesn't support uncomposited environments or plasma sililarily doesn't notice the uncomposited state.

The color of the corners is btw. irrelevant - just uninitialized, so if that memory area was previously not used it's likely black, if t has been white, white, if pink .. you get the point ;-)

Compositing doesn't work for you?


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on window b

 
 by gravy on: Dec 16 2011
 
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Fix confirmed. Thanks so much!

> Compositing doesn't work for you?
It works, but it brings out bugs in my Intel (i915) driver, which consistently crashes X and KDE, loosing all my work. :(

Also, as a note, after updating KDE to 4.7.x, new distro (Kubuntu 11.10), and new kernel (3.x), the weird thing where the glassy effect on windows kept going over the elements of the window, is gone. :)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 17 2011
 
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I guess ubuntu is doing it wrongly (t quote a dead man) - i posses a gma for a while and neither X11 nor kwin have ever crashed (except for bug in my develoment code ;-)

Anyway, use XRender. It is *not* slow. I tried it on a gma/1366x768/atom combo and the performance is ok.
The reason why it's slow is that debian/ubuntu compiles Qt on the raster graphicssystem, what is not very helpfull for a XRender compositor.
See here:
https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/103430/

(Sidenote: bespin was written when kwin didn't work on the raster graphicssystem at all and force the native one, makes direct use of xrender for that reason and is extra-slow on the raster system for the moment. I'll try to do some on this this WE)

You want to run "kwin --replace --graphicssystem native &" or put "export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native" into a ~/.kde/env/ script - the latter one will affect all all applications an probably free you some RAM, it can still be overwritten by "--graphicssystem raster" for few applications which really profit alot of it (eg. plasma-desktop is a candidate)



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by gravy on: Dec 17 2011
 
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Hi, you're right! xrender works better than I had imagined. Time will only tell whether this will workaround the crashing problem or not.. But it seems to work well still.

After doing the steps you mentioned, (env variable in ~/.kde/env, and using xrender), I noticed a few more bugs.

The glassy window effect goes back to the background color, and the glassy color over some elements (noticed this in dolphin and systemsettings, but kate looks OK).

And some more of the weird edges we were talking about earlier. I have some screenshots of it.

http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/17/snapshot41.png
http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/17/snapshot42.png
http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/17/snapshot43.png

Thanks for the help, and patience. :)



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 17 2011
 
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> The glassy window effect goes back
Sounds like the bug in the xrender implementation of the the driver was never really fixed but just covered by avoiding the driver and using the raster system isntead - if you prefer the glassy effect, you should keep the raster system except for kwin (ensure ~/bin is in your $PATH env, add a script named "kwin" there calling:

#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/kwin --graphicssystem native $* &

chmod +x ~/bin/kwin

that should do - using the full path in the script is mandatory, otherwise the script will call itself over and over again.

About the shdows: ubuntu is still shipping KDE 4.6 and so this is BeShadowed?



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by gravy on: Dec 18 2011
 
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Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE 4.7.4. I'm using the latest stable point releases in the Kubuntu package repository*. This is only Bespin (no BeShadowed, except for the fact that it may now be built into Bespin in KDE 4.7.x I think).

* ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa

Anyways, thanks for your help! Using effects, even with xrender still crashes KDE and X for me, so I'll have to do without compositing. More specifically, it keeps crashing everytime I move the mouse to exit the screensaver..



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 18 2011
 
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"kcmshell4 kwincompositing", 3rd tab. is "suspend compositing for fullscreen applications" checked?
in case, uncheck it.
the intel driver can't (for whatever reason and apparently it hits xrender as well?!) - at least on ubuntu (we've tons of bug reports at bugs.kde.org, but it works fine here as well)

Bespin uses the new shadow kwin system on 4.7 what means there should be no such border. It's a clipping relict (ie. the window is masked) what i haven't seen but is similar to the "borders NOT clipped" issue this longer thread started with ;-)



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by gravy on: Dec 18 2011
 
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Ah. Ya, it was checked. I figured I could get some speed improvements with it checked, I didn't know it was causing the crashes though.

I unchecked it and went back to OpenGL. Maybe now it'll work properly now that that option is unchecked.

I guess we'll see; and if not, I can try xrender again. :)



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 19 2011
 
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Yes, theoretically it gains you more performance, but not if it crashes and yes, this is the source of your crashes - google "kwin intel bug", the number 252817 will show up for sure :)

Also suspending compositing altogether (shift+alt+f12) will get you much more resources (memory, cpu) and you can setup rules (kcmshell4 kwinrules) to make certain windows block compositing automagically (eg. you run quake and compositing is suspended until quake ends. bespin has "hacks" for vlc & smplayer to trigger this when entering fullscreen mode, but actually this could -in theory- be extended to any application if you've a candidate. Best would be such applications would do this internally. Got to get in touch with their developers...)



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on wind

 
 by gravy on: Dec 19 2011
 
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Thanks for the help. I haven't seemingly got any crashes yet... Starting to look good (hopefully). :)



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 Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on window borders

 
 by gravy on: Dec 16 2011
 
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After a little more testing, it seems the only reason Firefox was "unaffected" was because it was fullscreened at the time. If I fullscreen an app that's in the "white block" state, and unfullsreen it, it goes back to round.

So everything is affected as it "should" be, so nevermind about the Firefox thing.


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 Re: Re: Re: Weird black things on window borders

 
 by gravy on: Dec 16 2011
 
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I'd also like to note that the widget Lancelot launcher has some weird black things as well, but it seems to have these things no matter whether the decoration has them or not (after my temporary fix of going into the system settings). I don't know if it's related to Bespin or not.

http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/16/snapshot40.png


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 Buglet: about KDE.

 
 by AlejandroNova on: Dec 17 2011
 
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I want to congratulate you by your new header code. It looks great, awesome, and it helps usability. However, there is one (just one) place where it fails miserably.

1. Open any KDE app.
2. Select Help | About KDE with the very latest SVN code.

You'll watch a super-wide dialog, with this as the header, in extra-large text.

<html><font size='5'>KDE - Be Free!</font><br/><b>Platform Version 4.7.90 (4.8 Beta2 (4.7.90) optimized by the Chakra-Project</b></html>


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 Re: Buglet: about KDE.

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 17 2011
 
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No, actually it's not. I cannot define the look i want because the widget implicitly changes )or apparently not all times) the type of it's qlabels (plain -> rich, richtext colors and their management is not one of the most shiny parts in Qt)

So that's it, i've got to runtime control their behaviour - time for a hack >-)


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 Re: Re: Buglet: about KDE.

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 17 2011
 
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r1439, hacked it :-P


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 Black frame

 
 by FSchulz on: Dec 21 2011
 
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Hey!

I updated a few days ago and now I have black frames in some windows. Here is a screenshot:

http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/2745/ms9xu3ws_png.htm (I mean this black frame with the white text "Arbeitsflächen-Effekte einrichten").

I looked at your last changes and I deactivated the Workaround "Override KTitleWidget look". But then this frame gets white.

Here is my config:

http://pastebin.com/ekMg8jB1

Any idea?

Best regards!


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 Re: Black frame

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 24 2011
 
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It's the titlebar hack and more or less intended, (while the black of a fully black foregroundcolor is too dark - i'm likely gonna play on the result anyway)

The "white" background is a regression, because i deleted the former workaround which used to remove it before - sorry for that. r1440


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 Re: Re: Black frame

 
 by FSchulz on: Dec 24 2011
 
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Ok, thanks, now it works fine!

Thank you very much and merry christmas!!


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 Window titles

 
 by SvenArcher on: Dec 26 2011
 
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Is there still an option to add the little horizontal swipes to either side of the window title like in this screenshot: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Dolpher2?content=127545

I hope this isn't a dumb question, but I've looked all around & don't see the setting.


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 Re: Window titles

 
 by thomas12777 on: Dec 26 2011
 
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No stupd at all - this is some kind of auto feature.

If you
a) configure the decoration to show buttons on inactive windows
b) cofigure the decoration (in doubt through hints from the style) to look exactly the same (same eytra gradient and colors)

the lines will show on active windows to distinguish them from the inactive ones.

An explicit setting has never existed, but when i added hiding buttons and (iirc ;-) made different colors and an extra gradient the default settings, this look dropped from the out of the box appearance.


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 Re: Re: Window titles

 
 by SvenArcher on: Dec 27 2011
 
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There they are! :-)

Many thanks for the help and for the great style!


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