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Bespin

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Submitted:  Aug 8 2007
Updated:  Apr 25 2013

Description:

A widget style for Qt4
- Pretty configurable
- More Mac than Windows - but no clone at all
- Don't ask me to port Baghira ;-)

As for what to do with GTK+ applications, have a look here:
http://arch-stuff.org/content/show.php?content=134123

It suites the default look pretty well. Set the "Default" titlebar background colors to 239/239/240 and the text to something dark/gray.

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Thalics complete Bespin Guide is afaik still down, sorry :-(




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SVN PATH UPDATE
Due to sf.net updates, the code is now tracked here:
svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/cloudcity/code/ cloudcity-code




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 Bespin & Gtk

 
 by Mte90 on: Jul 10 2011
 
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1) Xbar not work with non-kde software :-(
2) The title bar of the software (example iceweasel or scite) is different by the kde application. (i will do a screenshot, i have oxygen-gtk)
3) the windows not have the shadow it's normal?

It's possibile condivide the XBar config? i have made one with some service for stop/start.


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 Re: Bespin & Gtk

 
 by Mte90 on: Jul 14 2011
 
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4) it's not possible hide the title bar of a single program choosen...


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 Re: Re: Bespin & Gtk

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 14 2011
 
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1) it works with gtk+ ones but you need to install the gnome-global-menu plugin (you don't need the menu but the plugin for the applications) and "export GTK_MODULES=globalmenu-plugin"

2) I do not know what this is supposed to mean but assume that refer to the fact that the decoration has no idea about the look of clients which are not styled by bespin (no there is no and will not be a gtk2 style, maybe gtk3 - i don't know yet. Gtk2 is simply not capable of the default bespin look, ie. invert button colors on hover.)
-> you'll have to configure the decoration for other clients: "kcmshell4 kwindecoration", select bespin and configure the decoration.
xwininfo or the "info" button for the kde multibutton are your friends to figure the matchline.

3) -> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/BeShadowed?content=121607
The KWIN shadow system will also change completely for 4.7, obsoleting BeShadowed. (but due to a bug present in all release clients, this is so far not supported by the kwin deco atm. Will be with 4.7.0 release)
4) "works for me", either by alt+f3 menu or "kcmshell4 kwinrules" - the special setting in oxygen is more or less only there to keep the client side shadows when there's no decoration.
For 4.7 sth. similar would be required for bespin (to keep the shadows), but we'll have to revamp the entire decoration spec anyway - so i'm likely gonna add a temp. hack that will provide shadows for undecorated windows then.


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 Re: Re: Re: Bespin & Gtk

 
 by Mte90 on: Jul 15 2011
 
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1) i have compiled and installed and do it the command expert but not work.
2) i attach a screenshot of scite, look the titlebar http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5431/53634982.png and this is dolphin http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6539/85163399.png
3) Thanks resolved!
4) Thanks resolved!

I used aptosid with kde 4.6 and qt 4.7.
Thanks for the response but a newsletter for the news on the svn exist?


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Bespin & Gtk

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 15 2011
 
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1. "export" - you'll have to do that everytime you login and at a shell level the application will see when it's started. (kdm should interpret ~/.xprofile, so you could place it there. Another place would be /etc/profile or /etc/profile.d/activate_ggm.sh - last option needs to be supported by your distro (ie. there's such a directory and it's full of files) and the file must usually be executable.

2. Yes, as expected. You'll have to configure the decoration for not bespin-styled applications as mentioned. There's no way to do this programatically.
You can choose from various grounds, title backgrounds & colors. You can also apply regexp matches for several configurations.

You can just type "svn log" in the bespin source directory to see what happened and iirc sf.net has a feature to "track" a project, whether this will send you mails on commits, i frankly don't know.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bespin & Gtk

 
 by Mte90 on: Jul 18 2011
 
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i have inserted the command on the xprofile file but noto work :-(


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bespin & Gtk

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 19 2011
 
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No idea, worked w/o any problem for me.
You can probably get support from the ggm maintainers:
http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/
(best contact their FAQ/Wiki before ;-)



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bespin & Gtk

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 19 2011
 
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and looking at the FAQ myself, the plugin name has possibly changed to "globalmenu-gnome"



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 icons

 
 by tobaj on: Jul 25 2011
 
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Any plans for extending the icon theme? There's quite a few actions missing in common KDE apps. Never mind various applications, you can never keep up with them. But at least the KDE apps (e.g. muon, rekonq, kpatience)


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 Re: icons

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 27 2011
 
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Actually David and Rob lately asked me whether we should start over some icon work. I want to, but they want me to take the lead (we need to do this, do that) and i've so far not managed to write a list of "has to be done" :-(

I've just opened a wish here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3380176&group_id=201276&atid=976910

where you can just post icons you demand most


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 Re: Re: icons

 
 by tobaj on: Jul 30 2011
 
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Thanks. Just posted an initial request for apps icons.


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 Re: Re: Re: icons

 
 by tobaj on: Jul 30 2011
 
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another request sent, this time about icons missing in KDE system settings (within the main window and various modules)

BTW on sf.net I go by 'tobaj33'..


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 Shadows

 
 by FSchulz on: Jul 27 2011
 
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Any idea when you have implemented the new shadow-system? Without shadows my windows in KDE 4.7 look ugly ;)

Best regards and thanks for your work!


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 Re: Shadows

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 27 2011
 
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shadows are there and operative since 4 days (r1382 ;-)

For the kwin decoration you must have KDE 4.7 (*not* rc2)
The style so far only applies them to popup menus (and docks, i think) - i guess i'll somewhen this WE write a more generic solution so i can add tooltips and combobox dropdowns (and whatever else i get aware of)


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 Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by FSchulz on: Jul 27 2011
 
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Ahh ok, I have 1382 and KDE 4.7 rc2 but I dont see shadows here. So I wait till KDE 4.7 final and hope that they are there. :)


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 Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 27 2011
 
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Actually i just see that the new shadows are activated regardless of the kde version but only on window activation.
Since however they're broken in KWin < 4.7.0 you might (luckily) not see anything - in worst case you see quite some artefacts...

r1383 adds the version check and you should NOT use the new shadows for the decoration on early kwin versions - seriously, looks horrible ;-)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by FSchulz on: Jul 27 2011
 
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Mmmh... so do I understand it right: Now I use KDE 4.7 rc2. Shadows are not supported here (installed 1383 a few minutes ago). When I get KDE 4.7 final over my packetmanager, the shadows get automaticaly activated... Or do I have to activate them anywhere? I looked through the bespin config, but didn't find anything.

Best regards and thanks for your work!


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 28 2011
 
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No idea why you didn't see them with 4.7rc2 before but you'll have to recompile te client once you got 4.7 final - there's no runtime check on this.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by kallube on: Jul 29 2011
 
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Installed 4.7 just now but didn't have shadows for windows and this is not the case with drop down menus.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by FSchulz on: Jul 31 2011
 
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Mmmh... now I have KDE 4.7 final and compiled 1385 against it, but I have no shadows. I have a Nvidia gt 435m. No idea why I have no shadows.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 31 2011
 
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a) please ensure to install r1386 - 1385 has an ugly "bug" (i was probably mentally absent when writing that) which could potentially cause segfaults all over the place (depends on whether NETWM_SUPPORT has >= 66 entries ;-)

b) d'ooh - you're probably using the raster graphicssystem - i forgot to add support for that... try "kwin --replace --graphicssystem native", since the popups will in doubt share the kwin shadows, this hits everything. sorry.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by thomas12777 on: Aug 1 2011
 
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ok, check r1387, should support non native backends. The GL shadows break on change (activation) here nevertheless, xrender works fine -> kwin or nvidia issue :-(


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by FSchulz on: Aug 1 2011
 
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Yes now it works, thank you! I use raster, so this seemed to be the point. And yes, I also have these glitches. Hope this get fixed (nvidia or kwin) in the future. Thanks for your very fast fix and answer! :)

Best regards!



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by thomas12777 on: Aug 1 2011
 
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THe reason for the glitch is that kwin/GL cannot handle shadow pixmap size changes (i guess it always keeps the texture, may be bug or intention) -> worked around in 1389


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Shadows

 
 by FSchulz on: Aug 1 2011
 
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Oh yesss... It works flawless! You are awesome!! Big thanks to you! You do an awesome job!

Best regards!



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 Options for the new shadows?

 
 by i4dnf on: Jul 28 2011
 
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Hi. Just upgraded to kde 4.7.0, and got the new shadows.
Problem is that plasma popups get shadows, and makes them look ugly, especially if they have an "embedded" shadow.
Pease see here: http://ompldr.org/vOW52Nw

Could we get an option to enable/disable shadows on plasma popups? Or is that not quite feasable?

Thank you, again, for the great job you've done with this :)


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 Re: Options for the new shadows?

 
 by thomas12777 on: Jul 28 2011
 
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There should be no shadows on them at all - ultimately they'll use the new system as well and then i'd "steal" the custom shadow.

The bug was just that the code was too agressive and put shadows on all ToolTip windows, not only the QToolTip ones and their inheritors as it should be.

-> should be hotfixed in r1384 - real fix (better and generic implementation this WE - hope for rain ;-)

Btw: are you using an nvidia chip? The shadows somtimes look strange here (i think due to GL_LINEAR stretching, does not happen with XRender) and i wonder whether this is an nvidia issue or a genral one.


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 Re: Re: Options for the new shadows?

 
 by i4dnf on: Jul 28 2011
 
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Yep a 8600gt. Shadows look strange & ugly on inactive windows (I'll try without transparency/fade to see if that helps).
OTOH shadows are fixed now, thx for the quick fix.


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 r. 1388 - bespin not shown in 'Widget style' list

 
 by tobaj on: Aug 1 2011
 
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Configured and compiled successfully with with the same options as usual (installation dir: /usr). Now bespin is not available in the 'Widget style' drop-down menu. I can still choose bespin kwin decoration though. Didn't have such issue prior to rev. 1388 (AFAIR I was on 1384 previously).


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 Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in 'Widget style' l

 
 by tobaj on: Aug 1 2011
 
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1) BTW I'm on KDE 4.7 final (kubuntu 11.10 dev).

2) Another thing. After setting kwin theme to bespin I can no longer open that configuration module (Workspace Appearance). It crashes without giving any error. Maybe if I tried to trigger it from console it would throw some info. But how can I do it?

3) How can I change the widget theme manually without involving system settings? Any config file to edit?


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 Re: Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in 'Widget styl

 
 by tobaj on: Aug 1 2011
 
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I went through compiling all the revisions back to 1384. All built successfully but bespin in rev. 1388-1385 don't work for me (the theme is not shown in 'Widget style' list).

On r. 1384 everything goes back to normal:
1) bespin appears in 'Widget style' list
2) after setting bespin in kwin decoration it doesn't crash when I go to 'Workspace Appearance' again

Therefore this must be the guilty commit:

r1385 | baghira-style | 2011-07-31 17:33:31 +0100 (Sun, 31 Jul 2011) | 1 line

new shadows for combo popups; use tileset to genereate shadow pixmaps; set shadows in polish(); autodetect support for new shadows -
thus option removed; improve air ring contrast calculation; support air-a-like rings with scanline background; code cleanups


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 Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in 'Widget style' l

 
 by thomas12777 on: Aug 1 2011
 
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this usually means an unresolved symbol in the library. ensure you're linking the proper version of libQtBespin (it got a new symbol that revision)

please check where you "make install" libbespin.so and "ldd /path/to/that/libbespin.so | grep libQtBespin" - ensure that it's the same version you "make install"ed

if everything's fine here (but i doubt, given the style doesn't even show up in qtconfig?)
I'm not sure what you meant about kwin, but it links libQtBespin as well, so the bug is by 99.9% chance there.

in doubt, just try to compile from a fresh build dir.


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 Re: Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in 'Widget styl

 
 by tobaj on: Aug 1 2011
 
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ldd /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/styles/libbespin.so | grep libQtBespin
gives me:
libQtBespin.so => /usr/local/lib/libQtBespin.so (0x00007faf68e89000)

now, when I run the same in the /<where-is-my-cloudcity-repo>/build/lib directory:

ldd libbespin.so | grep libQtBespin

I get this:
libQtBespin.so => /<where-is-my-cloudcity-repo>/build/lib/libQtBespin.so (0x00007ff1b2150000)

Did you mean the hex numbers between brackets should be the same in both cases?

When I was building revisions 1388-85, each time before installing next revision (going from the highest to lowest rev. - kinda git bisecting) I did the following:

1) uninstalled previous revision
2) deleted the whole local repo and cloned fresh one, specifying the revision number, like this:
svn co -r 1387 https://cloudcity.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cloudcity

So there's no way I had some remaining after previous compilations files in the build directory.
Also this never happened prior to revisions 1385-88 and I didn't change anything to the way I build bespin. And now I'm on rev. 1384 which works just fine.


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 Re: Re: Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in 'Widget

 
 by thomas12777 on: Aug 1 2011
 
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No, different numbers are ok.

readelf -sw /usr/local/lib/libQtBespin.so | grep clean

readelf -sw /<where-is-my-cloudcity-repo>/build/lib/libQtBespin.so | grep clean


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in 'Wid

 
 by tobaj on: Aug 1 2011
 
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I've found the issue and got it solved. After uninstalling r. 1384 I checked if anything bespinnish remained in /usr and here we go:
cd /usr && find . -iname *bespin*
[..]
./local/share/apps/kstyle/themes/bespin.themerc
./local/share/apps/kwin/bespin.desktop
./local/lib/libQtBespin.so
./local/lib/kde4/kstyle_bespin_config.so
./local/lib/kde4/kwin_bespin_config.so
./local/lib/kde4/kwin3_bespin.so
./local/bin/bespin

Removed all manually, then compiled and installed newest rev. 1389 - it works like a charm.

There's no issue with 'make uninstall' here. Those files didn't come from any of my recent installations as I stopped installing into /usr/local in favour of /usr a long time ago (I forgot to check how old they were before purging).
It seems that up to rev. 1384 that didn't cause any serious problems (I could be not aware of some non-obvious little issues though).

Sorry for bothering you so much today but I was misled by successful builds of the up-to-rev-1384 builds and assumed that something bad went into 1385.

BTW I even have those shadows now that many folks have been moaning about and surprisingly I quite like them.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in

 
 by thomas12777 on: Aug 1 2011
 
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Hehe - some things i do know ;-)
(the chances that a non showing up widget style is NOT an unresolved symbol are neglectable)

The "serious" issue here was - as predicted (sorry, i need that :-) - the unresolved symbol, but since libQtBespin is not public, it's never good to have it outdated compared to the style/deco (i might just change logics in both and if that doesn't apply to your version, you experience strange things. Maybe i should add a runtime version check with a big fat warning dialog on failure =)

The shadows should now be in pretty good shape but there hade been valid issues as you can read in the posts above (worst one being them not working on the raster graphicssystem)


No problem bothering me, btw. Not at all.
Better this way than ending up a "bespin sucks" in your mind.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown

 
 by tobaj on: Aug 1 2011
 
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'Hehe - some things i do know ;-)'
- point taken

'The "serious" issue here was - as predicted (sorry, i need that :-) - the unresolved symbol, but since libQtBespin is not public..'
- blabla, I don't care now since it works OK :D

'The shadows should now be in pretty good shape..'
- Good for those who like shadows. I still do but as far as I know myself I'll get fed up with them very soon. For that case, how can I disable it?

'No problem bothering me, btw. Not at all.
Better this way than ending up a "bespin sucks" in your mind.'

- [something] sucks - oh no, I'd never stoop to that kind of redneck's philosophy. Things don't suck, but people sometimes do. And I wouldn't be wrong if I was referring to myself..



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: r. 1388 - bespin not shown in

 
 by thomas12777 on: Aug 3 2011
 
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There's currently no config entry for shadows.
I'll likely add one (in order to support sth. more like a halo than a shdow - for dark setups) as well as an effect plugin to add them to a selectable group of other windows (like gtk+ popups etc.) as well. But not tonight ;-)


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 Bespin Windows Decoration

 
 by maxaue on: Aug 1 2011
 
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I loved the "netbook compatible titlebar orientation" option in Bespin Window Decoration. But is it possible to move it to the right instead of left? Because if so, the "X" window closing button would be in the same position where it usually is.

Also, it would be great if the letters in titlebar would be turned 90 degree - they would be easier to read vertically.


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