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Konqueror for a New Experience

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Konqueror for a New Experience
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Submitted:  Mar 13 2006
Updated:  Oct 16 2009

Description:

This is my idea of a new Konqueror in KDE4.

The desing is based in this mockup:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28476
made by eriol:
http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=eriol

I have done an HTML&JavaScript preview of the mockup. You can see it by clicking in "Homepage" or "download" section.

The explanation of this mockup is in "download" section too.



TODO:

- Make a preview of a splitted window to see how it looks.
- Make a preview of the audio collection (like amaroK, should be the same).
- Show the files containing in the TAR file in the right "info" column instead of the big icon.


More ideas? changes? improvements?




Changelog:

VERSION 1.1:

- Added a "Clear location" and "Go" buttons in the location bar.
- The float menu is vertical instead of horizontal.
- The "Up" button appears in web browser mode too.
- The "Refresh" and "Stop" buttons are the same: when the page or document finishes loading the "Stop" button becomes into "Refresh" button (the same behaviour as Opera, that works perfectly).
- Added a "my Home" button in the specific bar in file browse mode.


VERSION 1.0:

- Initial release.




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 why ?

 
 by eriol on: Mar 26 2006
 
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Why do you always need to complicate everything? I mean OSS has long been lacking simplicity in its design. An overloaded app is a pain for users for at least two reasons :
a) you're disturbed
b) if you're a new user you don't really see what makes what (I'm thinking of the vista-like adress bar which behaviour is far from obvious) and you feel lost and then don't dare to use it. You must think "How do I use it ?" whereas you should just focus on your task.
The application is a mean to perform a task, not a goal in itself. You dont open konqueror to open konqueror and mess with it's funny/funky/weired interface ! Take a look at Finder. It really does a great job in this regard.
A better Konqueror is a Konqueror you're using without feeling you're actually using an app, but rather a Konqueror that reveals the content of your computer and makes you feel closer to it.

Please take a look a this and tell me : Is it too simple to your taste ?
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28476
(note that I'm thinking this fake could be cleaner and the browsing could still need some simplification!)

By the way I'm really disappointed you don't give credit to the original author (meaning me) of the picture you modified.

I'm sad because what I see makes me feel you didn't get the idea behind my own mockup and in a more general manner behind the opportunity KDE4 is giving us to make things more intuitive and smoother.

Let me give you an advice : KEEP THINGS SIMPLE AND CLEAN ! (hey, it makes a good signature !)

However let me tell you I'm really impressed by your interactive demo, well done.


KEEP THINGS SIMPLE AND CLEAN !
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 Re: why ?

 
 by Superstoned on: Mar 26 2006
 
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i agree apps should be as clean as possible, but there might simple be need for many of the things he added to your mockup (he should've mentioned you, i agree, btw).

i thought your mockup missed some things, and i think he's doing a great job trying to add them without making it too complex. maybe you should try to get together, tough i would understand it if you had some hard feelings now (due to him not mentioning you).

anyway, i wouldn't mind having konqi like this, so thanx for your work, lets hope it turns out to be usefull. in any case, your mockup is one of the best and most influential - clearly.


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 Re: why ?

 
 by DarkLord on: Mar 26 2006
 
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Erm well. hard to reply to a comment written in such a pissed mood.
Anyway while the author sure could have mentioned your mockup here on KDE-Look in the first place, you could really have had a look at his well done explanations and immediately see that he DID mention your mockup...

Everything you're saying here is that "he should keep it simple", which is exactly what he's trying to do and explains well on the info page.

developing a new interface for Konqueror is a very tough task in my opinion. This is not finder. Most of current KDe users would be pretty annoyed and would leave in the end if you'd turn this powerfull local and remote file manager into something like finder. The art here is to hide the imensely powerful interface from the user at first. If he is in the need of more functionality to actually *work* * with files he should be able to unhide this additional power easily.
I think the mockup discussed here does this pretty well in some places.

* Yes, I think there actually are people who work with files. A file manager/browser isn't only used to get from A to B on a file system. The easiest example here is administration, which some people do for a living. This doesn't need to be Konqueror default interface, but it really has to be enabled easily.

If you'd actually be a bit more concrete and tell us what you think is "too much" this might actually turn into a useful comment.

Concerning the actual mockup I think it's pretty good. I do miss a "home" button among the navigation buttons though. There's none in local browsing mode although ~ is the place a user should be able to reach quickly if he "gets lost" or wants to start something new.

The sidebars could be a bit more tidy as well. I like the interface they have from the "original mockup" better. And theres not filesystem sidebar element.

The idea with a clickable location bar might be too much. Better have a bar that's copy and pasteable, meaning that it's obvious for a user that he *could* enter a completely new location manually here.


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 Re: Re: why ?

 
 by ibc on: Mar 26 2006
 
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I do miss a "home" button among the navigation buttons thoug

Hummm, there is a known problem if you add a "Home" button in the navigation buttons tab:
Is this "Home" button for web browsing or for file browsing? an example: is it "google.com" or "/home/user"??

Because it I added a "Home page" in the SPECIFIC BAR when browsing the web (see the "Kubuntu" tab in my mockup).

Anyway you are right, I should (and will do) add a "my Home" button for quick acces to user home, but I'll add it in the SPECIFIC bar when browsing files. Ok? what do you think about it?


And theres not filesystem sidebar element.

What do you mean here? could you explain me?


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 Re: Re: Re: why ?

 
 by DarkLord on: Mar 26 2006
 
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Yeah I know that "Home" can be a confusing term for an application that is both a file- as well as a web-browser. But Still "home" (/home/user) is the place users focus their file management needs on in Unix, so it should be there although I see the problem you show here.

I was about to explain why I feel that it belongs among the other navigational buttons and *not* on the specific toolbar - I had a look at the mockup just now... and there it is already (you're quick ;)). I think it's not that bad there. Still I think a _blank_ konqueror window (no specific toolbar there yet) should have the option to be turned into a file management konqueror starting at /home/user by the click of a mouse button.


filesystem sidebar element
What i meant here was a view of the sidebar that does not start at "home", but at "/" (root). The thing you get in konqueror today when you open the "rootfolder" sidebar - just a flat view of your whole unix filesystem.

This is a pretty minor detail though concerning the overall design. You put a great deal of thought into this whole thing and I really hope we will be seeing this discussed on kde-usability at some point and maybe even have coders working towards it.
What I really like here is that you try hard (and succeed imo) to present a simple and clean interface to the user while not butchering Konqueror into a simplistic file starter like finder or nautilus.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: why ?

 
 by ibc on: Mar 26 2006
 
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Thanks for all :)

You are right when speak about a new empty tab: how to navigate the user home if the specific bar is empty?

I see two solutions:

1) Use the left sidebar "Local" and click in "my Home". But of course there are many users who don't like a left sidebar, so they have it hidden.

2) Then there is other way: when a new empty tab is open the specific bar will not be empty, it could show two button: "my Home" and "home page", so the user could access quickly to his files or to his default web page.

May be?


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: why ?

 
 by DarkLord on: Mar 27 2006
 
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I see two solutions:

1) Use the left sidebar "Local" and click in "my Home". But of course there are many users who don't like a left sidebar, so they have it hidden.

Yep. We should assume that it's not always shown I think.

2) Then there is other way: when a new empty tab is open the specific bar will not be empty, it could show two button: "my Home" and "home page", so the user could access quickly to his files or to his default web page.

Humm, I think that might actually work! I can literaly see it: A blank page and you really only got "Home" and "Homepage" in the middle of the specific bar, nothing else. Yes, I think it might work.


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 Re: why ?

 
 by n4w3r on: Mar 26 2006
 
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did you look at here?
http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=36385&id=2

"Note: The design is initially based in this mockup: KDE4 Mockup.
"
you are mentionned.

and so, i think yes, too much widget is bad for newbe, but when principal action are in big size or vive color, and the widget are juste in little size with fade color, the newbe will juste use principale action without taking care of the widget, which he will be able to discover later.
and I think it's what did IBC with this mockup.

PS:[eriol] I love the style youmade!


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 Re: why ?

 
 by ibc on: Mar 26 2006
 
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I Can't believe what you say:


Why do you always need to complicate everything? I mean OSS has long been lacking simplicity in its design

Why do you say "I always need to complicate everything"? what have I complicated?
My effor in this design is to made Konqueror easier but more powerfull. What exactly is so complicated for you??


Please take a look a this and tell me : Is it too simple to your taste ? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28476

Yes, sorry, it's too simple and has several bugs:
- There is a "Filter" and "Find" fields that are confusing. Only one of them is needed.
- There is a "Personal" button in the buttons bar, and a "Home" and "Documents" buttons in the left sidebar. Is it intuitive? really? sorry, it's not. Perhaps you know the difference between them, but just you know it.
- There is not a menu or any buttons (how do you change the order of the files, or the size of the icons?


By the way I'm really disappointed you don't give credit to the original author (meaning me) of the picture you modified.

Have you read the explcanation document? Line 3:
"Note: The design is initially based in this mockup: KDE4 Mockup." --> link to your design.

Anyway it could be not enough, I'm sorry, I will add your name in the description of the mockup.


I'm sad because what I see makes me feel you didn't get the idea behind my own mockup and in a more general manner behind the opportunity KDE4 is giving us to make things more intuitive and smoother.

Sorry, I think exactly this about your mockup, remember:
- Find, Filter
- Personal, Home, Documents


Let me give you an advice : KEEP THINGS SIMPLE AND CLEAN

Your mockup is only a file browser, that is not my concept of a modern desktop where the location of the documents will not matter.

I believe in a Konqueror for browing files and showing documents (web, pdf, text...). I want to be browsing my files and open one of them in the same window. What do you thing about it?


Eriol, your design is very cool, maybe the best I've seen, but I think it's too much simple and not feasible. I just wanted to make it feasible by adding and changing some things, and added too the important feature of being file brower and document viewer at the same time.


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 Noisy and cluttered

 
 by nadim on: Mar 26 2006
 
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the mockup got a "bad" but you definitively have a lot of ideas that can be interresting if not thorown together to make a noisy eye candy. I did write a long explaination but kde-look.org timed me out and all was lost. if you wish, I'd be happy to discuss this on an #kde or #openusability maybe your contender could join too for a constructive debate.

One important thing is to know WHO is going to use your ideas. I must say I didn't recognized myself at all. You want to help new users, people that can "less". How many do you think they are compared to the other ones?

You, on the other hand, get a "good" for a very seriously executed work and the time (certainly lots) you spend for giving use a nice prototype.


Nadim
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 Re: Noisy and cluttered

 
 by ibc on: Mar 26 2006
 
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I did write a long explaination but kde-look.org timed me out and all was lost.

Opps, I think you could recover all the text by clicking in "Back" button.


if you wish, I'd be happy to discuss this on an #kde or #openusability maybe your contender could join too for a constructive debate.

Of course. I'm suscribed in kde-quality, do you?, but sincerelly I don't know which place is the most appropriate for discuss on it. What do you propose?


You want to help new users, people that can "less". How many do you think they are compared to the other ones?

My target isn't just to be easier for common users. In fact during the design some KDE advanced and common users helped me:
- Advanced users told me that they liked the design and they missed nothing (in fact I say in the explanation that no one advanced feature should be removed, why?).
- Common users found the mockup easier and more intuitive than the actual Konqueror.

I know that this is not a very "professional" test, of course, by it helped me in the design of the mockup, and I believe in it (but I'd like to improve it with all your suggestions).


I'm waiting you to tell me where to discuss about it


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 Re: Re: Noisy and cluttered

 
 by DarkLord on: Mar 27 2006
 
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I think a good place to discuss it would be the kde-usability list.
it's really hard to track all the various topics in these comments here on kde-look.org, so a better plae for discussion might be a good idea.

Note that I'm not a usability professional or something like that, so I'm not 100% sure kde-usability would be the best place, but I think so.


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 Re: Re: Re: Noisy and cluttered

 
 by ibc on: Mar 27 2006
 
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I'm suscribed in Kde-usability, but have not much experience. Anyway I've listen the following in kde-usability:

"It is a place for discussion about usability, interaction, information architecture, and accessibility issues, _not_ artwork and design.  Often our discussion will overlap with other projects however keep in mind this is the _usability_ mailing list.  Only discuss the color of an icon if you think it effects the usability, not if you think the color is ugly."


I've send you the entire mail.


I posted in kde-quality about the mockup, could be a better place.


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 Workplaces

 
 by rickvernam on: Mar 26 2006
 
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This is the first I've seen the 'workplaces' concept in the side bar thing. I think this is a GREAT idea for partitioning information into meaningful, working groups.


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 do it yourself

 
 by nnn on: Mar 26 2006
 
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" Navigate buttons:
big and intuitive
Just it. Only 4 buttons should be enough. Those buttons are to navigate (forward, back, go up) and reload the content."
you can customize your toolbars in konqueror and wider : in kde applications. so not a good idea. If you want simplistic and too much simplified wm, use gnome ! but don't make kde rotten with your stupid ideas

" Search bar:
When browsing my files I'd like the search bar to be in "file search" mode by default. But when I'm in a web I prefer it showing the Google search by default."
there is an entry in the menus to search, and like almost all kde-applications, you can assign a shortuct to this function. so this is already done and your idea is useless (again)

"Make a preview of a splitted window to see how it looks."
you can enable thumbnails in the file list, this is much better, but if you really want : "metabar" does this


I think you like too much gnome and ms-windows, so if you like them, use them, but don't submit their rotten ideas to kde


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 Re: do it yourself

 
 by ibc on: Mar 26 2006
 
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you can customize your toolbars in konqueror and wider : in kde applications. so not a good idea.

Have I said that these 4 buttons shouldn't be configurable???


If you want simplistic and too much simplified wm, use gnome !

You are in a big error, I don't want to simplifie Konqueror, I just want to make it more intuitive for ALL kind of users (common and advanced users). Of course, all the navigations button and specific bars should be configurable, like in the actual KDE, of course, I always say it. Read better next time.


but don't make kde rotten with your stupid ideas

My ideas could be stupic, and yours??? do you have any idea? I think you haven't:
http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=nnn


I think you like too much gnome and ms-windows, so if you like them, use them, but don't submit their rotten ideas to kde

You know nothing about me. I don't like Gnome or Windows, sorry, I like KDE. But if you think that KDE is perfect as now is your problem. Anyway I think you never will propose nothing, just criticize with bad words ideas of others (like anyone can read in all your responses in KDE-look).


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 Re: Re: do it yourself

 
 by DarkLord on: Mar 27 2006
 
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You know nothing about me. I don't like Gnome or Windows, sorry, I like KDE. But if you think that KDE is perfect as now is your problem. Anyway I think you never will propose nothing, just criticize with bad words ideas of others (like anyone can read in all your responses in KDE-look).

ibc, you have my deepest respect now. Honestly i would not have reacted in such a constructive way to such a rude comment. The wording nnn used here is worse than bad, but the link to his other comments was actually quite funny, thanks for that =)


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 Finally!

 
 by PikoPiko on: Mar 26 2006
 
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It's about time someone thought of giving Konqueror a face lift.

And to those who scream "KEEP IT SIMPLE" I hate to break it to you, but this looks alot simpler then the current konqueror. Konqueror is way to fetureful by defualt. I've been testing KDE, and Linux with normal people, and I've found that all the diffrent views, and the right-click open with is a pain for most people. Including myself. Becuase they have no idea what KDE is going to do next. It's like pressing a big red button, and not knowing what you might blow up.

Also the side information, and it's location is much better then the metbar on the left. It also gives people an idea of what clicking on the file will do. Alot of first timers won't know that by defualt clicking on an mp3 will put it in your amarok play list, instead of just playing.

In general this design gives the user more idea of what is going on. It also gives the user more power, with out confusing the hell out of them.

I hope to god this will be the next generation of Konqueror, becuase if it isn't, I'll code this my self.


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 Re: Finally!

 
 by ibc on: Mar 28 2006
 
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Thanks!

And yes, of course you can code it ;)


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 very nice

 
 by timmyisdaman on: Mar 27 2006
 
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beautiful ibc. I can see lots of work has gone into making this more or less functional demo.
I have a couple things I'd prefer (or have the ability to customize it in that way)...
* The icon highlighting should be done in a very light gradient.
* The hide info/places buttons should be a small close button in the corner.
* The places tab should be horizontal writing at the top (maybe in the same style and gradient as the other tabs)
* and finally I don't know about that option button, seems a little out of place.
Anyways, if kde 4 has anything similar to this design, I'll be happy.


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 Re: very nice

 
 by ibc on: Mar 28 2006
 
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* The icon highlighting should be done in a very light gradient.

What do you mean exactly? maybe the blue color is to strong? is ti? sorry, I don't understand.


* The hide info/places buttons should be a small close button in the corner.

Yes, could be.


* The places tab should be horizontal writing at the top (maybe in the same style and gradient as the other tabs)

Could you explain it, please?


* and finally I don't know about that option button, seems a little out of place.

It's just a fast button for changing the asociated actions and apps for each mimetype.


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