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"Save session as a file!"

  

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"Save session as a file!"
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"Save session as a file!"
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I think it would be cool, if the session manager allowed one to save the session as a file. Then users could open multiple programmes in the right position and state, just by clicking an icon.




(Btw. the screenshot is made on gnome, as it was what I had at the moment)




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 wallpaper??

 
 by sanjayk43 on: Mar 10 2006
 
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Could you please tell me the source of your wallpaper?? It is simply awesome..


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 Re: wallpaper??

 
 by ademmer1977 on: Mar 10 2006
 
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yes, please tell us the source! :-)


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 Re: Re: wallpaper??

 
 by lobais on: Mar 10 2006
 
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http://www.lucmar.com/


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 Sounds great!

 
 by dbd on: Mar 10 2006
 
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That sounds like an incredible idea! It would be really usefull :)


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 I like

 
 by Bugg on: Mar 10 2006
 
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This would be a very cool feature..


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 Great Idea!

 
 by Yaba on: Mar 10 2006
 
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Alternatively KDE could ask you at startup, which session to load.

"What do you want to do today?"

Fits perfectly into the new KDE usability metaphor that the desktop should become more task oriented.


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 Re: Great Idea!

 
 by telex on: Mar 10 2006
 
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How often do you reboot your PC before starting a new task? How many tasks do you have that require launching lots of different applications and returning them to the state you need?

I'm not so sure about the sessions-as-files idea, but proper session management is something all desktops really lack at the moment!


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 Re: Re: Great Idea!

 
 by Yaba on: Mar 12 2006
 
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Why reboot? Just asking you at the startup does not mean that you can't load a different session on the fly.

However I am more thinking of a session submenu in KDE like Konqueror Profiles than special files for session, which you have to seek and open for. This should be better accessible.


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 Re: Re: Re: Great Id

 
 by lobais on: Mar 13 2006
 
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But it would be less ZUI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_User_Interface :)


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 VERY GOOD

 
 by profoX on: Mar 11 2006
 
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The idea is REALLY GREAT if you think it out a little bit more :) !!!!!
Definitely my vote


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 Re: VERY GOOD

 
 by lobais on: Mar 11 2006
 
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Thanks :)
I've been thinking of three ways to do this. Of course all of them can be used in normal session management too.

1. Let the programmes implement it.
This may be the fastest way, and the way, that requires less space, but it will make the programming slower, and as you will never have all third party programmes implementing it, it will be very annoying.

2. Emulate user mouse-clicks and key-presses.
This may work for most applications, that don't change content (like web-browsers). But it may be quite slow.

3. Capture RAM.
The session manager could save all the data the program has put into ram. I think this might work, but I don't know enough of OS'es. Also it might make some pretty big files.

But again, it is mostly an idea for a new session manager "interface". The big programming problem is making the normal session management work.


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 Hmmm

 
 by profoX on: Mar 11 2006
 
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The only good option there would be option 3...

Alternatively, maybe it can be done through DCOP thingies

I mean:
It can't be too hard to say to KDE:
"Open this, then execute this command and put the window here; Open that, and resize the window so..."

RAM is another thing, as it would save alot more than only positioning etc..and it will take alot of time to load such a RAM-Disk File. Think about suspend mode, because suspend mode works that way too.

I'm not sure how we will implement this either, but the KDE DEV people are very smart ;) and if they could figure out things like this, we are AGAIN a few steps ahead of "other software/operating systems" ;)


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 Re: Hmmm

 
 by lobais on: Mar 11 2006
 
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It can't be too hard to say to KDE:
"Open this, then execute this command and put the window here; Open that, and resize the window so..."


Absolutely. It wouldn't be able to restore the "state" of the window, but maybe that's really not that needed. At least not for "task sessions". On the other hand, if the thing is, that I'm going to save a virtual desktop into a, let's say taskfortomorrow.session file, it properly wouldn't be enough.

RAM is another thing, as it would save alot more than only positioning etc..and it will take alot of time to load such a RAM-Disk File. Think about suspend mode, because suspend mode works that way too.
I've actually never had my desktop suspended, but you're right, that opening the file shouldn't take very long, actually it shouldn't take more than a zoom... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_User_Interface

I'm not sure how we will implement this either, but the KDE DEV people are very smart ;) and if they could figure out things like this, we are AGAIN a few steps ahead of "other software/operating systems" ;)
Absolutely. Let the technical discussion take place at some developer list, and let this brainstorm be the place for the impossible ideas :P


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 Re: Re: VERY GOOD

 
 by profoX on: Mar 12 2006
 
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Absolutely right :)

By the way, I'm thinking of 2 different things now:

1. This can be easily done:
Make .session files that will open certain programs at a certain place, on the desktop(s) of your choice
(just to open and place alot of applications at once to create some sort of fast work environment / chilling environmenr / programming environment etc...)

2. This seems alot harder:
.session files will have some sort of image stored of how certain parts of the desktop/opened windows used to reside in the RAM memory, and they will again be loaded in the RAM memory...
Maybe it could be possible if the developers just take a look at one virtual desktop to store into a .session file, and if they can get only the things that have to do with that one desktop out of the "RAM", this seems very doable if this is integrated into the KDE4 system itself :)


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 Easy session switch

 
 by liquidrock222 on: Mar 13 2006
 
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It would be nice to have a "Switch session" option to save the current session and switch to another one.

For Non-KDE apps you may be able to save the current state of the application from memory to disk. Especially if you manage to get all apps executed in KDE to be children of the root KDE app.

Though that could cause all apps to crash if the core KDE stuff crashes. :-/


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 Don't switch

 
 by lobais on: Mar 13 2006
 
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You could be able to change session, however I think it would be cooler, to be able to just open a session in a new virtual desktop, or save a virtual desktop to a file.


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 Re: Don't switch

 
 by liquidrock222 on: Mar 14 2006
 
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Well, what if you want your session to save all your virtual desktops?


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 Re: Re: Don't switch

 
 by lobais on: Mar 14 2006
 
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Then should they be saved in a merged file, or should they open up again in different workspaces?


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